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basically, at the end of DD, matt makes a "deal" with kingpin, KP goes to jail, and DD doesn't use his family to beat him.
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Yes, they're getting a bit darker but not to the raw-brutal-and-uncomfortable-torture-scene-that-looks-like-it-was-straight-up-taken-from-Banshee dark, wich was exactly what the Punisher was
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true but I still have extreme doubts so we'll have to wait if Deadpool really will be as gory and perverted as he was in his first two movies. And even if they do keep him as violent and perverted, that doesn't mean Punisher would be just as violent. But yeah, let's just wait to see what they'll do
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he did what
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Season 2 iirc he dabs
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oh my god
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You say that like it's a bad thing...
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SHUT UP CARL
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What do you guys think of this ?
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I think Johnson got a little too much shit at least (and I'm certainly not among The Last Jedi defenders)
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he said it tho
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The current one doesn't need replacing. Also, the lighting was awkward in this scene so the overall image doesn't look as neat.
new Scarlet Witch render to replace the old one?
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Did Karen cease to exist since Infinity War after Peter threw away his mask when he was on the Donut Spaceship?
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That's fine, we'll most likely get cleaner scarlet witch renders when the movie comes out anyways
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No weapons, no equipment. just barehanded (or footed) combat. Which team are you taking:
Team A:
Shang-Chi
Yelena
Herbless Kilmonger
Maya
Clint
Wenwu
Death dealer
Team B:
Xialing
Natasha
Herbless T'Challa
Sharon
Sam Wilson
Taskmaster
Okoye
Team A:
Shang-Chi
Yelena
Herbless Kilmonger
Maya
Clint
Wenwu
Death dealer
Team B:
Xialing
Natasha
Herbless T'Challa
Sharon
Sam Wilson
Taskmaster
Okoye
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How far into 6-c does thanos scale
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Also i pick team A
Shang chi above Xialing
Herbless Kilmonger already beat Herbless T'Challa
I never saw sharon fight hand to hand and even if she did i doubt it was better than maya so Maya above Sharon.
Natasha beat taskmaster so Wenwu would low-mid dif. Wenwu above Taskmaster.
Death dealer above Okoye i never saw her fight without her spear.
That's 5 - 2
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5.836 gigatons of TNT, barely above baseline, but that number was rising.
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What about all the other dudes like iron man, why is he 6-C when his attacks only scratched thanos
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Apperently his skin is so tough that damaging it at all is a solid feat
Iron Man has also performed better against Thanos than many other heroes
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The only one who performed well against Thanos aside from IM was Strange (and there's the implication he was restraining himself due to his plan) so yeah
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I made a vs thread featuring Loki and Vamp from Metal Gear Solid, debating on whether I should keep the thread using Variant Loki or change it to normal Loki.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/loki-variant-l1130-vs-vamp-mgs4.129493/
https://vsbattles.com/threads/loki-variant-l1130-vs-vamp-mgs4.129493/
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Well iron man is only baseline right?. I wanna do a dceu vs MCU thing and i just wanted to make sure it wouldn't be an unfair stomp
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No Iron man isn't baseline he should at least scale to 4.93 gigatons same as awakened Thor but less than 5.2/5.8 gigatons
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What was the feat that got them into 6-c?
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The energy surge of the infinity gauntlet was shown to be at this level
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Ok I looked everywhere and I gotta ask, why the hell are the Sorcerers all Unknown now? I couldn't find a CRT for it anywhere.
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Iirc now none of the spells are treated as attack potency since they supposedly all ignore durability
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All of them? But, why? And when was that decided? Why are their shields still 7-B? Why were the pages not altered accordingly?
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They were altered accordingly and their shields could tank blast that killed leviathans that's why their shields are still 7-B. This was decided in like october I think and it wasn't necessarily that all their abilities ignore durability but that they're hax abilities also, none have been direct ap other than the magic weapons
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None have been direct AP? None? I mean come on.
One of those I posted there even tore away at Strange's super protection spell itself. The CRT was never linked in the edit itself so I can't find when or why it was changed, and the AP descriptions never even changed to reflect this, so all the pages have now is circular scaling.
One of those I posted there even tore away at Strange's super protection spell itself. The CRT was never linked in the edit itself so I can't find when or why it was changed, and the AP descriptions never even changed to reflect this, so all the pages have now is circular scaling.
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I still haven't really found enough conclusive information on magic to suggest a specific tier for sorcerers in confidence, but I'll repeat some information I've stated before:
Closing portals can cut off Cull Obsidian's hand, and they don't seem to ignore durability considering that that Joe Russo stated that closing a portal on Thanos to cut off his arm wouldn't work, at least not quickly enough to be a viable method of stopping him, and this is specifically attributed to the durability of Thanos' skin.
Their natural lifting strength should probably be higher than Average Human. Kaecilius can lift and slam Doctor Strange with one arm (1:13), which seems like it should at least be Above Average Human.
Also, pre-Infinity War Strange, Mordo, and Wong withstood getting hit by a shockwave from Kaecilius that shook multiple vehicles, including a bus (3:07). Not sure whether or not that would yield results that could upgrade them above 9-C physically, but it seems worth noting at least.
The Masters of the Mystic Arts specifically use Eldritch magic, which is light-based, producing sparks and energy, and uses a fiery yellow/orange colour palette throughout.
Eldritch magic energy is drawn from other dimensions of the multiverse to cast spells, and to conjure shields and weapons (1:58)
Items such as Sling Rings and relics are imbued with magic that is too powerful to sustain by sorcerers normally, allowing them to withstand the strain.
So the magic used by sorcerers generally seems to come from the same source, just shaped and conjured in different forms. I don't think it will get any speed upgrades despite being light-based, as it doesn't really seem to show many properties of light. While I think it is very probable that closing portals from the likes of Wong can be 6-C for cutting off Cull Obsidian's hand (but low enough in the tier that Thanos would be capable of withstanding it through sheer durability), the fact that portals can only be used with a Sling Ring leads me to believe it would not scale to regular magic attacks from Wong and sorcerers on his level if they can't safely channel the levels of power that are imbued in magical objects.
Also, some respect threads I found that might have useful stuff (though no feats past Phase 3 are included):
Doctor Strange
Ancient One
Wong
Kaecilius
Closing portals can cut off Cull Obsidian's hand, and they don't seem to ignore durability considering that that Joe Russo stated that closing a portal on Thanos to cut off his arm wouldn't work, at least not quickly enough to be a viable method of stopping him, and this is specifically attributed to the durability of Thanos' skin.
Their natural lifting strength should probably be higher than Average Human. Kaecilius can lift and slam Doctor Strange with one arm (1:13), which seems like it should at least be Above Average Human.
Also, pre-Infinity War Strange, Mordo, and Wong withstood getting hit by a shockwave from Kaecilius that shook multiple vehicles, including a bus (3:07). Not sure whether or not that would yield results that could upgrade them above 9-C physically, but it seems worth noting at least.
The Masters of the Mystic Arts specifically use Eldritch magic, which is light-based, producing sparks and energy, and uses a fiery yellow/orange colour palette throughout.
Eldritch magic energy is drawn from other dimensions of the multiverse to cast spells, and to conjure shields and weapons (1:58)
Items such as Sling Rings and relics are imbued with magic that is too powerful to sustain by sorcerers normally, allowing them to withstand the strain.
So the magic used by sorcerers generally seems to come from the same source, just shaped and conjured in different forms. I don't think it will get any speed upgrades despite being light-based, as it doesn't really seem to show many properties of light. While I think it is very probable that closing portals from the likes of Wong can be 6-C for cutting off Cull Obsidian's hand (but low enough in the tier that Thanos would be capable of withstanding it through sheer durability), the fact that portals can only be used with a Sling Ring leads me to believe it would not scale to regular magic attacks from Wong and sorcerers on his level if they can't safely channel the levels of power that are imbued in magical objects.
If Strange gets 8-C durability for withstanding a pumpkin bomb explosion at close range, I wonder if that would scale to any other sorcerers. Do we have any reason to assume that Strange's physical AP/durability significantly increased along with his magical power between the 2016 movie and Infinity War?
The Cloak of Levitation seemed comparable to Spider-Man physically, which seems consistent with it being able to wrestle with Drax in Infinity War. I'm not really sure if it scales to AP or just Lifting Strength. It could knock Drax down mid-charge at least. (5:30) If it scales to AP, that might support other sorcerers being 8-C physically, as a Zealot required multiple slams from the Cloak to subdue (1:02)
The Cloak of Levitation seemed comparable to Spider-Man physically, which seems consistent with it being able to wrestle with Drax in Infinity War. I'm not really sure if it scales to AP or just Lifting Strength. It could knock Drax down mid-charge at least. (5:30) If it scales to AP, that might support other sorcerers being 8-C physically, as a Zealot required multiple slams from the Cloak to subdue (1:02)
Also, some respect threads I found that might have useful stuff (though no feats past Phase 3 are included):
Doctor Strange
Ancient One
Wong
Kaecilius
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