MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[CharlesZaGreat]

1945 Avengers:
Kree and Hydra Team-Up (Fascist work together, Kree want the tesseract and take interest in vibranium)

Team
Captain America
Bucky Barnes
Black Panther (Azzuri)
Ala (Ayo's Grandmother)
Captain Carter (Peggy with Captain Marvel's power sets)
Mystic Marvel (Aisha, Kamala's Great Grandmother)
Human Torch (Jim Hammond, he was there as a cameo in First Avenger. Howard has no interest in fighting, but the tesseract does give him a few ideas)
Namor (He really doesn't want to be here)
Loki (Thor is already on the main team and 1988. Have Loki ******* around in the 1940s, it would be fun. Mostly there because the tesseract caught his interest, winds-up being caught in nonsense)
Moon Knight Predecessor (Khonshu was already probably dealing with Nazis in the original timeline, I'm sure he and whoever he's working with wouldn't care for them teaming up with aliens)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Didn't talk about 1945 cause in all honesty, WWII is like the get go for uchronia stories and it's been done over and over and over so I'm kind of tired about these.

Tbf I don't think Khonshu would really care about nazis unless they're directly interfering with whatever he's trying to get his hands on. Maybe out of pragmatism but I don't see him really expressing strong disgust

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Tbf I don't think Khonshu would really care about nazis unless they're directly interfering with whatever he's trying to get his hands on. Maybe out of pragmatism but I don't see him really expressing strong disgust

Doesn't Khonshu just generally go after evil

 

[Dinobot1996]

With What If...?, I think I'm a bit surprised they had enough restraint to not have one more episode taking place in Captain Carter's universe. After season 1 adapted The First Avengers and season 2 basically did The Winter Soldier, I was fully expecting season 3 to do a version of Civil War, especially after they briefly established there could be a different Avengers lineup (as Wasp was shown as a founding member). Well, that and the implication that the HYDRA Stomper might still be out there after the Red Room was destroyed.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Doesn't Khonshu just generally go after evil

Depends on his mood I guess. He takes his job more seriously than the other gods (not that it's a massive accomplishment considering the other are doing o***** in Omnipotence City) and does put the innocent under his protection but it seems more like he dislikes general evil. The general idea matters more than the people

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

A third sequel to the Party Thor episode where Hela is just ******* disgusted with the state of the world.



1988 Avengers would've been fun as well since the new generation of heroes being something like Star Lord, Mantis, Wasp Black Panther, Ghost, and Captain Marvel (Do the events of her movie still even happen?). You could even have Sif and Thor's romance go somewhere and they have Þrúðr. Tony Stark as the director of S.H.I.E.L.D could be a fun direction as the Avengers formed early, kind of killing Fury's momentum, especially depending on if the Skrull-Kree incident still happens. I imagine Tony is kind of a massive asshole since heroes are more common in this universe and I bet his dad never shut-up about them (Similarly to Captain America in the main universe), he'd probably be like a more flamboyant Cecil Stedman

 

[darkphantom9805]

so what is the current schedule for mcu like what projects are coming?

 

[Hellbeast]

What if?...went from a not perfect but really cool series with an excellent concept and great ideas for (indeed) infinite possibilities in its first season to "Captain Carter & Friends: Across the Multiverse". This has to be one of the biggest let down I've seen recently (still not on par with Joker 2 but still)

I mean, think about all the cool concepts we could have gotten! The possibilities are just too many (just to give a FEW examples):

• More Eternals & Celestials
• Thanos snapping the other half
• Villains like Red Skull winning (for real)
• Different characters get Infinity Stones different from the one they normally have (like Red Skull with the Reality Stone)
• HYDRA-aligned heroes like Steve Rogers or Tony
• Evil/Tyrant Thor
• Bunch of characters from the comics who don't appear in the movies like other Eternals such as Zuras, Sphinx, Crimson Dynamo, etc
• More episodes set in different eras, like Prehistory (Ice Age, Mesolithic, Neolithic, etc), Ancient Greece/Rome/Egypt, Pirates, Victorian London, etc
• Wakanda allying with Talokan against the surface
• Variants meeting and teaming up or fighting each other
• Tony Stark or Hulk as a Master of the Mystic Arts
• Ego winning with some survivors escaping
• Mysterio being an actual hero or at least a sorcerer
• Apocalyptic Future a la Old Man Logan or Maestro Hulk
• Shang-Chi siding with Wenwu and becoming his successor as the Mandarin (or Wenwu listening to his children unlike the movie)

There, I got these in some seconds, was that so difficult for a PROFESSIONAL WRITER to get something like that when a random prick like me can do that?!

I remember having a list like

* What if Tony Stark was sorceror Supreme

* What if Thanos won

* What if the Avengers lost at New York

* what if Odin never changed

* What if Mysterio won

Like that’s just from my head

 

[Hellbeast]

A third sequel to the Party Thor episode where Hela is just ******* disgusted with the state of the world.



1988 Avengers would've been fun as well since the new generation of heroes being something like Star Lord, Mantis, Wasp Black Panther, Ghost, and Captain Marvel (Do the events of her movie still even happen?). You could even have Sif and Thor's romance go somewhere and they have Þrúðr. Tony Stark as the director of S.H.I.E.L.D could be a fun direction as the Avengers formed early, kind of killing Fury's momentum, especially depending on if the Skrull-Kree incident still happens. I imagine Tony is kind of a massive asshole since heroes are more common in this universe and I bet his dad never shut-up about them (Similarly to Captain America in the main universe), he'd probably be like a more flamboyant Cecil Stedman

I’d love an Avengers BC episode with Odin, Ancient One and the Eternals becoming heroes allied with each other

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Aside from the obvious ones that I've mentioned above, a few scenarios I thought off were:

*What if Nebula was Thanos' favoured daughter?
*What if Groot became the world tree?
*What if the Inhumans fought the Eternals in Rome?
*What if Hela survived Ragnarok?
*What if Wakanda intervened in the Cold War?
*What if Captain America was sent to the Dark ages?
*What if Tony Stark achieved peace in our time?
*What if Death took a vacation?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I feel like we should’ve gotten a what if of Wenwu meeting either Tony or Aldrich Killian. Maybe even both by having a what if of Wenwu getting involved in the events of Iron Man 3 for whatever reason.

 

[RoTt35]

Does someone know what the source of this scan is?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Does someone know what the source of this scan is?

It's from the Phase One: Thor novel. I brought it up a while back.

 

[Dinobot1996]

More novel stuff!

From the Thor: Ragnarok novel:

Spoiler: ragnarok novel stuff

During the battle of Sokovia, Hulk jumped through the air like a missile to reach the Quinjet:

A weakened Ultimate Ultron is described as helpless against Hulk's extreme power:

Fire Demons are hot enough to burn Thor, even if they can't compare physically:

Valkyrie could stand her ground against a thunderclap from Hulk soon after he arrived on Sakaar:

From the Infinity War novel adaptation, Destiny Arrives:

Spoiler: Infinity war novel stuff

Loki considers Hulk to be the ace up his sleeve to fighting off Thanos after Thor is defeated, with Hulk's attack on Thanos shaking the Statesman:

Hulk stunned and waylaid Thanos with his initial assault, though Thanos gains the upper hand with "incomparable" strength:

A weakened Thor's attempt to attack Thanos is described as weak and embarrassing in effect, and Thanos retaliates by moving faster than Thor believed possible. Heimdall views Thanos as being unlike any enemy the Asgardians had battled:

The wind storms produced by the Q-Ship are compared to a tornado, with some cars getting lifted off the ground:

It seems implied that Hulk could've taken on Cull Obsidian with brute strength if Banner had been able to transform:

Banner views Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw as being deadlier than any foe the Avengers had ever faced:

Multiple statements make it clear that Iron Man is at a disadvantage against Cull, who outguns him in every possible way.

During the battle of Wakanda, Black Panther's kinetic energy pulse apparently failed to do more than stall Cull for a moment:

 

[RoTt35]

High 3-A Universe CRT

 

[Raincutter]

More novel stuff!

From the Thor: Ragnarok novel:

Spoiler: ragnarok novel stuff

During the battle of Sokovia, Hulk jumped through the air like a missile to reach the Quinjet:

A weakened Ultimate Ultron is described as helpless against Hulk's extreme power:

Fire Demons are hot enough to burn Thor, even if they can't compare physically:

Valkyrie could stand her ground against a thunderclap from Hulk soon after he arrived on Sakaar:

From the Infinity War novel adaptation, Destiny Arrives:

Spoiler: Infinity war novel stuff

Loki considers Hulk to be the ace up his sleeve to fighting off Thanos after Thor is defeated, with Hulk's attack on Thanos shaking the Statesman:

Hulk stunned and waylaid Thanos with his initial assault, though Thanos gains the upper hand with "incomparable" strength:

A weakened Thor's attempt to attack Thanos is described as weak and embarrassing in effect, and Thanos retaliates by moving faster than Thor believed possible. Heimdall views Thanos as being unlike any enemy the Asgardians had battled:

The wind storms produced by the Q-Ship are compared to a tornado, with some cars getting lifted off the ground:

It seems implied that Hulk could've taken on Cull Obsidian with brute strength if Banner had been able to transform:

Banner views Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw as being deadlier than any foe the Avengers had ever faced:

Multiple statements make it clear that Iron Man is at a disadvantage against Cull, who outguns him in every possible way.

During the battle of Wakanda, Black Panther's kinetic energy pulse apparently failed to do more than stall Cull for a moment:

So more proof of Hulk relativity to Thanos (he stunned him and wasn't knocked unconscious), and a 9-B Ultron showing as a fall apparently damaged him beyond repair.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So more proof of Hulk relativity to Thanos (he stunned him and wasn't knocked unconscious), and a 9-B Ultron showing as a fall apparently damaged him beyond repair.

In Ultron's case he was already pretty heavily damaged by that point it should be noted

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So Cosmic Queen Agatha has a profile now. Who's left? I'd say Byrdie, Apex, Mysterio (dealing with this one), do I forget someone? Does the Hela variant from Season 2 have a profile and if not, is it possible to make it?

 

[FentyBeauty]

we also need a profile for storm

i remember saying i wanted to make it but im lazy so someone else can do it if they want

 

[Ghengiroo115]

So Cosmic Queen Agatha has a profile now. Who's left? I'd say Byrdie, Apex, Mysterio (dealing with this one), do I forget someone? Does the Hela variant from Season 2 have a profile and if not, is it possible to make it?

I started a Byrdie sandbox that I linked a little bit ago.

I don’t believe Merciful Hela has a profile, and since she’s got some unique stuff I think it’s probably fair to make one if someone feels like it.

EDIT: The Mech Avengers should probably have a profile.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Merciful Hela should scale to a base Wenwu when powerless, downscale from Odin when empowered with Ta Lo dragon scale armor, and upscale from Odin after reaching her full power.

The Mech Avengers and gamma beasts should presumably at least be able to upscale from a Pre-Awakening Thor, who apparently needed a mech to fight the beasts, and was still eventually killed in battle regardless.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

The Mech Avengers and gamma beasts should presumably at least be able to upscale from a Pre-Awakening Thor, who apparently needed a mech to fight the beasts, and was still eventually killed in battle regardless.

It’s also stated that the fused together mech (the “Mighty Avenger” I think it was called?) was operating at 1,000%, but idk if that’s useable for a 10x multiplier or not.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Merciful Hela should scale to a base Wenwu when powerless, downscale from Odin when empowered with Ta Lo dragon scale armor, and upscale from Odin after reaching her full power.

So basically:

Powerless: 9-A

Ta Lo Dragon Armor: 5-A

Merciful Hela: At least 5-A

Shouldn't we combine the first two though?

 

[Dinobot1996]

So basically:

Powerless: 9-A

Ta Lo Dragon Armor: 5-A

Merciful Hela: At least 5-A

Shouldn't we combine the first two though?

Combining them probably would help streamline the profile, yes.

 

[ByArrow]

Thread 'Graviton -Talbot (MCU/Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) Upgrade Revision Thread'

Yesterday at 19:00

This is a simple one.

A revision thread to upgrade the current Graviton page feat.

Old AP: "Large Country level (Destroyed Earth with a Magnitude 12.8 earthquake after absorbing Quake's powers)"

to

New AP: "Small Planet level (Destroyed Earth with a Magnitude 12.8 earthquake after absorbing Quake's powers)"

New calc.

• AppleLord
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[Dinobot1996]

I wonder if Captain Marvel grew more powerful between the 1990s and the events of Endgame.

Korath considered Thanos to be the most powerful being in the universe, which Ronan only declared was no longer the case after he decided to take control of the Power Stone. This is despite the fact that both Korath and Ronan were already aware of Captain Marvel by this point, with Ronan having seemingly considered her to be a superior weapon compared to the Tesseract.

Captain Marvel was also testing the full extent of her powers at that point when she fought the Kree fleet:

This could suggest the following scaling chain:

Captain Marvel (Endgame)>Thanos>Captain Marvel (1990s)>Tesseract

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I wonder if Captain Marvel grew more powerful between the 1990s and the events of Endgame.

Korath considered Thanos to be the most powerful being in the universe, which Ronan only declared was no longer the case after he decided to take control of the Power Stone. This is despite the fact that both Korath and Ronan were already aware of Captain Marvel by this point, with Ronan having seemingly considered her to be a superior weapon compared to the Tesseract.

Captain Marvel was also testing the full extent of her powers at that point when she fought the Kree fleet:

This could suggest the following scaling chain:

Captain Marvel (Endgame)>Thanos>Captain Marvel (1990s)>Tesseract

Tbf Ronan and Korath only had their brief encounter with 90s Carol at this point but yeah, I can see that

 

[Naeem0304]

Tbf Ronan and Korath only had their brief encounter with 90s Carol at this point but yeah, I can see that

Captain Marvel started going ballistic on the Kree Empire after she helped the Skrulls find sanctuary, so it's possible they had another encounter with her.

 

[Hellbeast]

So more proof of Hulk relativity to Thanos (he stunned him and wasn't knocked unconscious), and a 9-B Ultron showing as a fall apparently damaged him beyond repair.

Neat evidence for Cull > Ultron too which helps with the consistency for everyone growing in power

I wonder if Captain Marvel grew more powerful between the 1990s and the events of Endgame.

Korath considered Thanos to be the most powerful being in the universe, which Ronan only declared was no longer the case after he decided to take control of the Power Stone. This is despite the fact that both Korath and Ronan were already aware of Captain Marvel by this point, with Ronan having seemingly considered her to be a superior weapon compared to the Tesseract.

Captain Marvel was also testing the full extent of her powers at that point when she fought the Kree fleet:

This could suggest the following scaling chain:

Captain Marvel (Endgame)>Thanos>Captain Marvel (1990s)>Tesseract

shit that’s a good point, I never thought of that

Thread 'Graviton -Talbot (MCU/Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) Upgrade Revision Thread'

Yesterday at 19:00

This is a simple one.

A revision thread to upgrade the current Graviton page feat.

Old AP: "Large Country level (Destroyed Earth with a Magnitude 12.8 earthquake after absorbing Quake's powers)"

to

New AP: "Small Planet level (Destroyed Earth with a Magnitude 12.8 earthquake after absorbing Quake's powers)"

New calc.

• AppleLord
• attack potency calculation calculation evaluations and requests graviton (marvel cinematic universe) marvel cinematic universe mcu villains
• Replies: 2
• Forum: Content Revision

• 

if AOS is canon this helps with consistency

 

[ArkhamDC06]

if AOS is canon this helps with consistency

Btw, there's still a debate about that or we finally have a definitive answer?

 

[ByArrow]

Btw, there's still a debate about that or we finally have a definitive answer?

There is still a debate about that.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

There is still a debate about that.