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kenbun doesn't give enhanced details of an opponents abilities so no.
he cant neg the sharingan via Hao.
why wouldn't he be able to react?
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HST Showdown - (Round 6 - Villainous Façades)
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he cant neg the sharingan via Hao.
Godernet
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not restricted.
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Future Sight seeing himself get sealed, them simply using Buso Emission.
speedster352
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But gin can sense souls it’s not just normal ESP. How would shanks find him with his clook on?
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So does Kenbun.
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It literally does, they get it from their visions of the future. So yes.
He absolutely can. You saying he can't isn't evidence. Try again.
Because his sight would be reduced to that of a human.
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Kenbunshoku Haki can do everything the Sharingan can and then some, and Shanks can negate any ability in the Kenbunshoku Haki page.
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the future won't tell him anything since all he'll see is him falling after trying to attack itachi
you claimed FS has an ability I use a FS user as evidence that its not to the extent you think it is.
do over, susanoo, Itachi's genjutsu which is just a glance, izanami, amaterasu, clones, substitution, etc.
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Other than Genjutsu and Mangekyo shenanigans*
speedster352
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Scans? Also how would he know where gin is anyway he still has his clook and kido making him invisible even to shinigami Haki won’t work if you can sense the opponent or if they have no intent at all. Gin is a pretty laxed character so he doesn’t give any bloodlust.
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ken is an ability that shanks can stop you from turning on that lets you neg percog.
analytical prediction while giving the same outcome is very different conceptually. theres no proof he can neg someones eyeballs passive ability.
speedster352
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What counters does shanks have to Amaterasu?
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Kenbun gives Instinctive Actions.
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How would that block the attack? Their bases are equal, Susano'o is Armored > Humanoid > Skeletal > EMS > Sharingan > Base. Even if it did, all the Haki the blade hit would be sealed away.
speedster352
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Also how would shanks get past susano plus Tara mirror plus tosuka blade?
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Heat resistance, Buso Emission, Dodging with speed, Dodging with Future Sight, Dispersing with Hao.
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I think Akainu burns hotter
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albeit that depends on a few statements
Godernet
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he doesn't, because all FS shows him is that he falls.
its not precog nor does it need to be activated as its just a passive ability of his eyes. you'd have to prove if works on Sharingan.
Itachi is far more skilled and intelligent.
speedster352
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So anyone…
Godernet
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that really doesn't matter with how Itachis genjutsu tortures you into an incap.
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Kenbunshoku can stop mental interferences, again he can absolutely see himself being effected by mind hax based on the visions from the future.
What...? Rephrase what your saying here because I'm confused.
Shanks can break the Susanoo via Buso and Hao amps, Genjutsu gets countered by Shanks seeing it, closing his eyes or outright negging his senses so Shanks can hit him from out of his sensing range.
Ken doesn't do that, that's a Hao ability so you'd be incorrect again unfortunately.
Kenbunshoku in lower level also grants Analytical Prediction.
The evidence is him negging Kenbunshoku which is passive.
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Speedster, they aren't going to respond positively if it's you making the argument.
Anyway, for everyone's info, since I have read through all 3 series, I'll inform everyone who doesn't know. The Yata Mirror literally negates incoming strikes.
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The person said "You're talking about FS, so I used an FS user as a counterexample."
speedster352
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Again what stops Gin from sniping? He has the concealing clook and his bankai and shikai should be enough but I digress I will leave the rest to the bleach supporters. My vote goes to Gin for now.
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Yeah that's not a counter example. You can't compare Kata to Shanks.
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speedster352
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But Gin mostly keeps his eyes closed and he has the concealing clock so he can’t be seen or sensed so he basically has layered invisibility and he would snipe from a range anyway.
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Flame Sword + Hao Infusion + Buso Emission > Hao Infusion + Buso Emission > Hao Infusion > Buso Emission > Buso Koka > Buso > Base
Big whoop
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Ok, but you said just Buso emission.
EldemadeDityjon
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Gin has Layered Invisibility on Spiritual level. Itachi can't even sense him let alone seeing him is impossible to put him under Genjustu.
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you'd need proof it works on layered Mind hax on the lvl of itachi. Sasuke can see through genjutsu via sharingan too but can't stop tsukuyomi from hitting him.
FS and Sharingan are fundamentally different. Analytical Prediction and Precog don't work the same and one if passive while the other is active.
saying Hao would neg Sharingan is an unfounded assumption just because the two abilities are similar in effects.
he can't break the yata mirror
closing his eyes assumes Shanks knows he would need to before ever looking at Itachi one time, which is incredibly unlikely. and this doesn't stop the do over via Izanagi
I mean't Hao mb.
thats not on the haki page.
Ken is not passive stop.
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voting itachi, way to haxed
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Godernet
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Shanks hasn't show buso emission yet.
EldemadeDityjon
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Invisible Beings ≠ Invisible on the level of spiritual energy.
Show me scans for him perceiving spiritual beings. Also how many layers he can perceive. Care to show me where its stated in the profile.
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My point went over your head there, my point was that Kenbunshoku FS users like Shanks can see himself being effected by that in the future.
It's already in the Haki page as "Can predict and sometimes see the future." lower levels of Haki doesn't allow you to "see." the future only make predictions which is Analytical Prediction. It being passive doesn't save it from negation, it would need resistance to negation for that argument to work.
"Source? I made it up." Hao and Buso allow for massive amps, it's not unbreakable so let's not act like it.
Read above.
speedster352
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Yeah but Gin invisibility is layered
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Notice how I didn't specify Future Sight, and just said Kenbun generally, as it has other abilities other than Precog, such as making the user "immune to tricks of the mind"
