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How immediately does that incap take effect?The mental torture incapacitates not to mention he controls your perception of time while in there
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How immediately does that incap take effect?The mental torture incapacitates not to mention he controls your perception of time while in there
Pretty much instant iircHow immediately does that incap take effect?
When he used it on Kakashi he made him experience 3 days of torture in 1 second which pretty much instantly incap him.How immediately does that incap take effect?
Got scans of that? Anime would even work for me, I just wanna see it in action.When he used it on Kakashi he made him experience 3 days of torture in 1 second which pretty much instantly incap him.
hereGot scans of that? Anime would even work for me, I just wanna see it in action.
he has a lot of genjutsu this is just his sharingans exclusive one.Also doesn't he have a few different types of Genjutsu? Or do they all just kinda do the same shit for him?
We aren’t that lucky. Also it would be Big Mom vs HikifuneWhen will we have Big mom vs Lille?
he leads with genjutsu was the main point most of which have the potential to incap gin or Shanks with a glance.Why people acting like Itachi spams or leads with Tsukuyomi? He isn’t fighting Sasuke here smh.
I don't think the universe could support the collective weight of those ******* whales in one place at the same time.We aren’t that lucky. Also it would be Big Mom vs Hikifune
Can he really Genjutsu someone from Bleach tho? Like how is he getting past Gin's soul manipulation resistence, which is passive.Itachis opening move is more often than not genjutsu
How is he gonna interact with Gin's soul tho?Incap via Tsukuyomi.
People at Gin's level should be able to take that level of tortureWhen he used it on Kakashi he made him experience 3 days of torture in 1 second which pretty much instantly incap him.
It's not just souls, but also souls that passively resist being tampered with. A soul from a captain resists manipulation way better than anyone in naruto.All Genjustu working on souls is complete Headcanon. So it's better to consider which has feats. Itachi Mangekyo and Shinsui eyes sure but normal Genjustu is a nono without feats.
This is another good point tbh, much like Shanks Hao it seems like Itachi can't sense Gin due to the cloak.As for Gin what is Itachi counter if he can't sense or see gin because of him using Camouflage Cloak. It even hides 6th sense.
The better question is, how is Gin going to be able to deal with layered mind manipulation from Itachi. something he doesn't have resistances for.Can he really Genjutsu someone from Bleach tho? Like how is he getting past Gin's soul manipulation resistence, which is passive.
once he's in genjutsu all he really has to do is poke him with Totsuka which BFRs you to a world of drunken genjutsu stupor for all eternity.How is he gonna interact with Gin's soul tho?
thats just what he used to subdue Kakashi, he's been shown capable of making you live an entire lifetime in tsukuyomi.People at Gin's level should be able to take that level of torture
If Itachi uses Susanoo with his Yata Mirror, idk if Gins Bankai could pierce it. not to mention with equal stats it won't be hard for Itachi to avoid the Bankai with clones and his analytical predictions and if needed Izanagi.Gin unleashes his bankai, and then beheads basically everyone before they expect it. He'll resort to rat tactics to rip their heads off.
seeing into the future won't tell him anything about what Itachi did to him. all he really has to do is look at Shanks. not to mention he can avoid him with clones, substitutions, yata mirror, and his over all superior intelligence.Yeah probably gonna go with Shanks here because of that Kenbunshoku Haki. He'll be the first to act due to his precognition, allowing up to 10 seconds of future sight where he'd see Itachi casting a Genjutsu or Gin swinging around a massive sword.
if Itachi puts up Yata Mirror, Shanks isn't touching him.Then from there it's just one Hao strike from ending it, and with the added benefits of Hao negating ESP, Enhanced Senses and precognative abilities neither combatant can really avoid being hit.
Hate to break it to you bleach characters (Soul Reapers) trains in their mental realm fighting their Zanpackto for days putting their life's on the line. Itachi 3 days toucher wouldn't be much of an issue.The better question is, how is Gin going to be able to deal with layered mind manipulation from Itachi. something he doesn't have resistances for.
once he's in genjutsu all he really has to do is poke him with Totsuka which BFRs you to a world of drunken genjutsu stupor for all eternity.
thats just what he used to subdue Kakashi, he's been shown capable of making you live an entire lifetime in tsukuyomi.
If Itachi uses Susanoo with his Yata Mirror, idk if Gins Bankai could pierce it. not to mention with equal stats it won't be hard for Itachi to avoid the Bankai with clones and his analytical predictions.
It absolutely would, Kenbunshoku Future Sight provides information Analysis and they see the full consequences in great detail.seeing into the future won't tell him anything about what Itachi did to him.
He'd have to pull that off before Shanks hits him with a Hao blast which would null whatever ESP, Enhanced Senses and Analytical Prediction that Itachi has. He's gonna be hard as **** to react to, let alone sense coming.if Itachi puts up Yata Mirror, Shanks isn't touching him.
Itachi isn’t pulling out his Susanoo or spamming his Mangekyo stuff like he is Sasuke or fighting Sasuke. That shit made Sasuke go from 20:20 to blind in an afternoon. He only does that against Sasuke cuz he knows he is gonna die in that fight and wants to be killed by Sasuke.seeing into the future won't tell him anything about what Itachi did to him. all he really has to do is look at Shanks. not to mention he can avoid him with clones, substitutions, yata mirror, and his over all superior intelligence.
if Itachi puts up Yata Mirror, Shanks isn't touching him.
Wow, what a witty and original retort.You have a literal Astolfo monster can pfp.
As far as I'm concerned you're the only user here that'd I'd classify as something significantly less than human, therefore you don't even get the right to have an opinion.
I don't think you read what I said because Itachi can put people in tsukuyomi for an entire lifetime if he chooses. Gin has no feats of surviving a lifetime of torture.Hate to break it you bleach characters (Soul Reapers) trains in their mental realm fighting their Zanpackto for days putting their life's on the line. Itachi 3 days toucher wouldn't be much of an issue.
Hate to break it to you but Tsukuyomi, his main genjutsu, is his mangenkyo genjutsu. if his regular genjutsu doesn't work he just looks at Gin again and Tsukuyomi him.Also Itachi Layered Mind Manipulation is not based on souls. His only abilities which worked on souls mind are Mangekyo and Shinsui eyes.
we have proof of other MS genjutsu and Kabuto's genjutsu working on souls. IT didn't work on them because only it has that specific weakness of only working on alive people.Saying all Genjustu works on souls is headcanon without proof. We see Infinite Tsukiyomi not working on souls. It should be considered case by case with proof.
Sure.Wow, what a witty and original retort.
"Your pfp is a feminine man, therefore you're an inhuman degenerate" is such a funny and inspired take, and totally not you just coping.
He did that against Kakashi.Why people acting like Itachi spams or leads with Tsukuyomi? He isn’t fighting Sasuke here smh.
thats for sensing power levels not deciphering an ability. Katakuri couldn't even tell how Snakeman was hitting him with his future sight until he did it three times.It absolutely would, Kenbunshoku Future Sight provides information Analysis and they see the full consequences in great detail.
that only prevents people from activating Obv Haki precog, not Itachi's Sharingans Analyitical prediction which works off muscle movements and enhanced perception that the eyes give you passively. not to mention Jounin class and above individuals can resist fear manipulation.He'd have to pull that off before Shanks hits him with a Hao blast which would null whatever ESP, Enhanced Senses and Analytical Prediction that Itachi has.
even if he is Itachi has a lot of counters to that. as well as a do ever via Izanagi if he miraculously does get hit.He's gonna be hard as **** to react to, let alone sense coming.
[Older brothers] Itachi Vs Ace Vs ByakuyaI'm not hearing any lip from any of you, I've been sitting here getting brain blasted, trying to think up a good, thematic match up with Itachi and this was the best I could come up with.
Itachi literally just has to point at you for it to work.Itachi is also kind of garbage in this match. Gin literally always has his eyes closed
False, Future sight users have information Analysis based on what they collect in the future. Power sensing is for lower levels.thats for sensing power levels not deciphering an ability. Katakuri couldn't even tell how Snakeman was hitting him with his future sight until he did it three times.
Thankfully even lower levels of Kenbunshoku Haki can do that, and no it's not just applicable to Kenbunshoku haki but those abilities in general.that only prevents people from activating Obv Haki precog, not Itachi's Sharingans Analyitical prediction which works off muscle movements and enhanced perception that the eyes give you passively.
Who said anything about fear manipulation? Hao Kenbunshoku Haki negation isn't based on fearnot to mention Jounin class and above individuals can resist fear manipulation.
Then explain those counters.even if he is Itachi has a lot of counters to that. as well as a do ever via Izanagi if he miraculously does get hit.
he's used his Mangekyo stuff in every fight hes been in. also hes not dumb if he's in danger he will abosolutely resort to any and all of his abilities.Itachi isn’t pulling out his Susanoo or spamming his Mangekyo stuff like he is Sasuke or fighting Sasuke. That shit made Sasuke go from 20:20 to blind in an afternoon. He only does that against Sasuke cuz he knows he is gonna die in that fight and wants to be killed by Sasuke.
Sharingan users can see things far away and through solid objects if they choose.Also, Itachi sees people from 4km away with a ton of obstructions including entire buildings that cover a block? X to doubt.
To Illusions?Also, for Shanks, how many layers of resistance does he have?
Whats stopping Gin Zanpackto saving him in his mental realm?I don't think you read what I said because Itachi can put people in tsukuyomi for an entire lifetime if he chooses. Gin has no feats of surviving a lifetime of torture.
Yes only one layer. Which Gin can resists it with his Zanpackto breaking him out of it.Hate to break it to you but Tsukuyomi, his main genjutsu, is his mangenkyo genjutsu. if his regular genjutsu doesn't work he just looks at Gin again and Tsukuyomi him.
If it's only MS Genjustu sure but it's only one layer baseline that's all.we have proof of other MS genjutsu and Kabuto's genjutsu working on souls. IT didn't work on them because only it has that specific weakness of only working on alive people.
Also, you're asserting a claim that I never made that all genjutsu works on souls.
Seems like a common trend that you just vote for the Bleach character without reading the other arguments.Anyway my vote goes to Gin since he snipes with his bankai
Shanks uses Kenbunshoku, to see the immediate actions of both opponents. From there, he uses Beyond Advanced Hao to negate either character's ESP, Enhanced Senses, and analytical prediction, essentially making their vision and senses that of a normal human.
Although Gin pretty much specializes in range, because Shanks' main starting ability is Hao blasts, he'd be able to stop Gin from even knowing where he is, making Gin's advantage null.