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How immediately does that incap take effect?
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HST Showdown - (Round 6 - Villainous Façades)
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Pretty much instant iirc
Godernet
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When he used it on Kakashi he made him experience 3 days of torture in 1 second which pretty much instantly incap him.
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Got scans of that? Anime would even work for me, I just wanna see it in action.
Also doesn't he have a few different types of Genjutsu? Or do they all just kinda do the same shit for him?
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Why people acting like Itachi spams or leads with Tsukuyomi? He isn’t fighting Sasuke here smh.
Godernet
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here
he has a lot of genjutsu this is just his sharingans exclusive one.
He has one that he can activate by pointing his finger at you that needs others to assist you to break out of.
He has Tsukuyomi where he completely controls all of your senses, perceptions of time and space, etc.
He can reflect illusions.
He has Kotoamatsukami implanted in a crow that lets in mind control you to the point where you don't know you are mind controlled.
He has izanagi which is more like a do-over, reality warp genjutsu that he can only use with the cost of an eye.
And He has Izanami that traps you in a loop if you haven't "accepted yourself" or having some kind of identity crisis.
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We aren’t that lucky. Also it would be Big Mom vs Hikifune
Godernet
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he leads with genjutsu was the main point most of which have the potential to incap gin or Shanks with a glance.
He also used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi when he showed up despite being under cover.
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I don't think the universe could support the collective weight of those ******* whales in one place at the same time.
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Can he really Genjutsu someone from Bleach tho? Like how is he getting past Gin's soul manipulation resistence, which is passive.
How is he gonna interact with Gin's soul tho?
People at Gin's level should be able to take that level of torture
Gin unleashes his bankai, and then beheads basically everyone before they expect it. He'll resort to rat tactics to rip their heads off.
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All Genjustu working on souls is complete Headcanon. So it's better to consider which has feats. Itachi Mangekyo and Shinsui eyes sure but normal Genjustu is a nono without feats.
As for Gin what is Itachi counter if he can't sense or see gin because of him using Camouflage Cloak. It even hides 6th sense.
Also is this Itachi is considered to have in a good health? If not his usage of Tsukiyomi will be like 3 times at best per a day if I am correct? Whats stopping Gin Zanpackto breaking him out of that. Even If Gin gets tourchered it would have a backlash on Itachi himself (if we are considering Un healthy Itachi)
As for Gin what is Itachi counter if he can't sense or see gin because of him using Camouflage Cloak. It even hides 6th sense.
Also is this Itachi is considered to have in a good health? If not his usage of Tsukiyomi will be like 3 times at best per a day if I am correct? Whats stopping Gin Zanpackto breaking him out of that. Even If Gin gets tourchered it would have a backlash on Itachi himself (if we are considering Un healthy Itachi)
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Yeah probably gonna go with Shanks here because of that Kenbunshoku Haki. He'll be the first to act due to his precognition, allowing up to 10 seconds of future sight where he'd see Itachi casting a Genjutsu or Gin swinging around a massive sword.
Then from there it's just one Hao strike from ending it, and with the added benefits of Hao negating ESP, Enhanced Senses and precognative abilities neither combatant can really avoid being hit.
Then from there it's just one Hao strike from ending it, and with the added benefits of Hao negating ESP, Enhanced Senses and precognative abilities neither combatant can really avoid being hit.
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It's not just souls, but also souls that passively resist being tampered with. A soul from a captain resists manipulation way better than anyone in naruto.
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This is another good point tbh, much like Shanks Hao it seems like Itachi can't sense Gin due to the cloak.
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The better question is, how is Gin going to be able to deal with layered mind manipulation from Itachi. something he doesn't have resistances for.
once he's in genjutsu all he really has to do is poke him with Totsuka which BFRs you to a world of drunken genjutsu stupor for all eternity.
thats just what he used to subdue Kakashi, he's been shown capable of making you live an entire lifetime in tsukuyomi.
If Itachi uses Susanoo with his Yata Mirror, idk if Gins Bankai could pierce it. not to mention with equal stats it won't be hard for Itachi to avoid the Bankai with clones and his analytical predictions and if needed Izanagi.
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seeing into the future won't tell him anything about what Itachi did to him. all he really has to do is look at Shanks. not to mention he can avoid him with clones, substitutions, yata mirror, and his over all superior intelligence.
if Itachi puts up Yata Mirror, Shanks isn't touching him.
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Hate to break it to you bleach characters (Soul Reapers) trains in their mental realm fighting their Zanpackto for days putting their life's on the line. Itachi 3 days toucher wouldn't be much of an issue.
Also Itachi Layered Mind Manipulation is not based on souls. His only abilities which worked on souls mind are Mangekyo and Shinsui eyes. Saying all Genjustu works on souls is headcanon without proof. We see Infinite Tsukiyomi not working on souls. It should be considered case by case with proof.
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It absolutely would, Kenbunshoku Future Sight provides information Analysis and they see the full consequences in great detail.
He'd have to pull that off before Shanks hits him with a Hao blast which would null whatever ESP, Enhanced Senses and Analytical Prediction that Itachi has. He's gonna be hard as **** to react to, let alone sense coming.
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Also Yata Mirror and Susanno need feats of resisting Gin's level of soul manipulation.
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Itachi isn’t pulling out his Susanoo or spamming his Mangekyo stuff like he is Sasuke or fighting Sasuke. That shit made Sasuke go from 20:20 to blind in an afternoon. He only does that against Sasuke cuz he knows he is gonna die in that fight and wants to be killed by Sasuke.
Also, Itachi sees people from 4km away with a ton of obstructions including entire buildings that cover a block? X to doubt.
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Wow, what a witty and original retort.
"Your pfp is a feminine man, therefore you're an inhuman degenerate" is such a funny and inspired take, and totally not you just coping.
sidenote: apparently sub human as one word is censored, I had no idea and that's probably for the best.
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I don't think you read what I said because Itachi can put people in tsukuyomi for an entire lifetime if he chooses. Gin has no feats of surviving a lifetime of torture.
Hate to break it to you but Tsukuyomi, his main genjutsu, is his mangenkyo genjutsu. if his regular genjutsu doesn't work he just looks at Gin again and Tsukuyomi him.
we have proof of other MS genjutsu and Kabuto's genjutsu working on souls. IT didn't work on them because only it has that specific weakness of only working on alive people.
Also, you're asserting a claim that I never made that all genjutsu works on souls.
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Shanks and Gin can also counter most of Itachi's Genjutsu by closing their eyes. Gin already has them closed, and Shanks can get that information via Kenbunshoku info analysis.
That topped with them both having resistance to ESP (And in Shanks case negation of enhanced senses and precognition. So whenever Shanks uses Hao Itachi's vision and senses become that of a normal human.) so I have difficulty in believing Itachi is gonna be reacting or tracking them without great difficulty.
That topped with them both having resistance to ESP (And in Shanks case negation of enhanced senses and precognition. So whenever Shanks uses Hao Itachi's vision and senses become that of a normal human.) so I have difficulty in believing Itachi is gonna be reacting or tracking them without great difficulty.
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Sure.
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He did that against Kakashi.
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thats for sensing power levels not deciphering an ability. Katakuri couldn't even tell how Snakeman was hitting him with his future sight until he did it three times.
that only prevents people from activating Obv Haki precog, not Itachi's Sharingans Analyitical prediction which works off muscle movements and enhanced perception that the eyes give you passively. not to mention Jounin class and above individuals can resist fear manipulation.
even if he is Itachi has a lot of counters to that. as well as a do ever via Izanagi if he miraculously does get hit.
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Gin doesn’t really open his eyes so genjutsu won’t work and he is very sneaky a few hits bankai and that’s gg
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Battle goes something like this.
Shanks uses Kenbunshoku, to see the immediate actions of both opponents. From there, he uses Beyond Advanced Hao to negate either character's ESP, Enhanced Senses, and analytical prediction, essentially making their vision and senses that of a normal human.
Shanks then smacks Itachi from a distance he can't sense or react from, topped with its range and AoE Itachi wouldn't be able to avoid it while stripped of his Enhanced Senses
Shanks uses Kenbunshoku, to see the immediate actions of both opponents. From there, he uses Beyond Advanced Hao to negate either character's ESP, Enhanced Senses, and analytical prediction, essentially making their vision and senses that of a normal human.
Shanks then smacks Itachi from a distance he can't sense or react from, topped with its range and AoE Itachi wouldn't be able to avoid it while stripped of his Enhanced Senses
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Might vote Shanks. He pretty much counters Itachi's Genjutsu with his Kenbun, and can stop his other Sharingan precog-esque abilities with BA Ha.
Shanks is skilled enough to rival Mihawk, who is the most skilled fighter in the verse. Because of this, I believe that he can hang with, and even overwhelm both Gin and Itachi if it gets to a close fight, especially considering how he'd have access to 10 seconds in the future and also have access to whatever their thinking while they don't.
Even from a range, Shanks' abilities are more useful. Although Gin pretty much specializes in range, because Shanks' main starting ability is Hao blasts, he'd be able to stop Gin from even knowing where he is, making Gin's advantage null.
Itachi is also kind of garbage in this match. Gin literally always has his eyes closed and Shanks has information analysis with his Kenbun which would inform him on Itachi's plans.
Shanks is skilled enough to rival Mihawk, who is the most skilled fighter in the verse. Because of this, I believe that he can hang with, and even overwhelm both Gin and Itachi if it gets to a close fight, especially considering how he'd have access to 10 seconds in the future and also have access to whatever their thinking while they don't.
Even from a range, Shanks' abilities are more useful. Although Gin pretty much specializes in range, because Shanks' main starting ability is Hao blasts, he'd be able to stop Gin from even knowing where he is, making Gin's advantage null.
Itachi is also kind of garbage in this match. Gin literally always has his eyes closed and Shanks has information analysis with his Kenbun which would inform him on Itachi's plans.
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[Older brothers] Itachi Vs Ace Vs Byakuya
[Illness] White Beard Vs Itachi Vs Jushiro
[Traitors] Black Beard Vs Ginjo/Aizen Vs Itachi
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Itachi literally just has to point at you for it to work.
Also, for Shanks, how many layers of resistance does he have?
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False, Future sight users have information Analysis based on what they collect in the future. Power sensing is for lower levels.
Also Shanks isn't Katakuri, you cannot use what Kata can't do as a basis for something Shanks can't do.
Thankfully even lower levels of Kenbunshoku Haki can do that, and no it's not just applicable to Kenbunshoku haki but those abilities in general.
Who said anything about fear manipulation? Hao Kenbunshoku Haki negation isn't based on fear
Then explain those counters.
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he's used his Mangekyo stuff in every fight hes been in. also hes not dumb if he's in danger he will abosolutely resort to any and all of his abilities.
Sharingan users can see things far away and through solid objects if they choose.
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Where are the bleach supporters? Anyway my vote goes to Gin since he snipes with his bankai and it has haxed poison and his bankai is difficult to dodge even for those as fast or faster than gin Ichigo and Aizen for example couldn’t really dodge it.
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To Illusions?
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Whats stopping Gin Zanpackto saving him in his mental realm?
Yes only one layer. Which Gin can resists it with his Zanpackto breaking him out of it.
If it's only MS Genjustu sure but it's only one layer baseline that's all.
- Gin has Camouflage cloaks and teleportation Technique Kido. Knowing his way of fighting he would rather maintain his distance and try to sneak attack.
- Not to mention his eyes are closed all the time. He rarely opens them.
- He also has a Kido which even nocks out character like Rangiku where Souls already has sleep manipulation Resistance. Itachi doesn't have Resistance to Sleep manipulation on his soul. atleast Itachi needs more than one layer of resistance to break out it.
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Seems like a common trend that you just vote for the Bleach character without reading the other arguments.
