HST Showdown - (Round 4 - Tainted Dreams)

[speedster352]

Danmaku and bankai are doing the trick. Shunpo/sonido is bypassing the sharigan entirely. And bankai is a wrap also sleep manipulation is layered actually since souls resist it and etc.

Exactly so did konan, itachi(sort of), kakashi, Naruto, minato and etc it’s not infallible and if tosen senses obito in another dimension he hops over there and waits and that’s gg

No, the only people that landed hits on WA Obito using Kamui were with assistance from Kakashi

Guy used his nunchucks to stop himself from dying in a brief encounter with Obito

Ahem

 

[Godernet]

Obito not doing anything to aokiji, and BFR is going to only absorb the ice... Aokiji has regen

If he BFRs all the ice he BFRs Aokiji sooo

he gets genjutsu anyways tbh.

Also has resistance to spatial manipulation and precog

Armarment Haki can resist Spacial Manipulation but Aokiji has never demonstrated that level of Haki. Even BM can affected by spatial manipulation.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Is this Only Soul Reaper Tosen or His Hollow Transformation also included.

• Obito can't resist his Shikai based on it affects directly to mind in the Soul to put the target to sleep.
• Anyway Even if someone argues Obito Somehow resists Tosen Shiki. tosen Bankai is hard counter which even removes 6th Sense from the opponent. Obito gets chopped to pieces in that.
• In his allow from Sonido messes Obito senses and hollows can interact with space itself so Obito spacial manipulation doesn't matter much

Overall Voting Tosen. Either his Bankai numbs all senses of Obito and takes the W or his Hollow form just Perfectly Counters Obito spacial manipulation.

 

[Kachon123]

Even BM can affected by spatial manipulation.

Hm?

 

[Godernet]

Danmaku and bankai are doing the trick. Shunpo/sonido is bypassing the sharigan entirely. And bankai is a wrap also sleep manipulation is layered actually since souls resist it and etc.

Exactly so did konan, itachi(sort of), kakashi, Naruto, minato and etc it’s not infallible and if tosen senses obito in another dimension he hops over there and waits and that’s gg

Konan launched an attack of billions of bombs that lasted 10 minutes straight,

Itachi did in a non-combat setting and the attack was still negged

Minato did it to Kid Obito.

Naruto did it with Kakashi’s help

And Kakashi has the other half of Kamui.

Tosen doesn’t have an attack lasting 10 consecutive minutes, Obito will be on guard in their fight, unfortunately this isn’t Kid Obito and Tosen doesn’t have Kamui. He has none of the circumstances that the others had.

 

[Godernet]

Hm?

K-Room

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Armarment Haki can resist Spacial Manipulation but Aokiji has never demonstrated that level of Haki. Even BM can affected by spatial manipulation.

My guy knows nothing about haki... No that's not how that works, law has haki which is why he can still affect people with haki

My guy also saying aokiji never demonstrated that level of haki lol, I guess smoker has better haki

If he BFRs all the ice he BFRs Aokiji sooo

Again, resistance... Plus regen and obs Haki, that's never happening

 

[Ryuga21]

Armarment Haki can resist Spacial Manipulation but Aokiji has never demonstrated that level of Haki. Even BM can affected by spatial manipulation.

Kuzan has advanced armament, all three admirals have it

 

[Myxenete]

Again, resistance... Plus regen and obs Haki, that's never happening

Regen doesn;t stop you from getting BFR'd + how does Aokiji resist BFR?

 

[Kachon123]

K-Room

Bro stop

With K-Room, Law is just giving his sword the physical properties of a Room. The reason K-Room was able to go through Big Mom’s body is because ROOM is intangible.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Regen doesn;t stop you from getting BFR'd + how does Aokiji resist BFR?

Via resisting spatial manipulation...

 

[Ryuga21]

how does Aokiji resist BFR?

Haki can resist teleportation/bfr

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah, Kamui isn’t working on Aokiji

 

[Arkenis]

Seeming like Obito has almost no win cons (stop mentioning genjutsu)

 

[Ryuga21]

Obito would likely be frozen down to the core in the blink of an eye. Aokiji wouldn't even need to move a step to affect the entire environment and insta-freeze everything.

 

[Myxenete]

Obito can still use his intagibility, he might not have any win cons but he's not going down the moment the fight starts

 

[SlendVeny]

But his soul still exist there right so that’s a wrap also don’t elements interact with elements I mean akainu killed ace with a magma fist and it got past his intangibility.

That's because Akainu is elementally superior, he negates fire.

 

[Kachon123]

Obito can still use his intagibility, he might not have any win cons but he's not going down the moment the fight starts

Haki allows Aokiji to be able to interact with Obito regardless.

 

[Myxenete]

Haki allows Aokiji to be able to interact with Obito regardless.

Haki allows Aokiji to interact with beings in another dimension?

 

[Ryuga21]

Obito can still use his intagibility, he might not have any win cons but he's not going down the moment the fight starts

It depends on what would happen first

 

[Kachon123]

Haki allows Aokiji to interact with beings in another dimension?

Allows him to stop the ability entirely.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Aokiji has in character just frozen everything instantly at the start also

 

[ZKillerz]

K-Room

Thats moreso affecting the area around big mom rather than big mom herself

Also iirc cant aokiji freeze people without needing to touch them or the ground? He does this against garp and wb I think

 

[ZKillerz]

Haki allows Aokiji to interact with beings in another dimension?

If we're equalizing verses then maybe? Hard to say how haki would interact with chakra

 

[ZKillerz]

As soon as Aokiji feels threatened he has been shown to freeze everything indiscriminately. Also it seems like his ice's travel speed is much faster than himself (I might be wrong about this). This ability could potentially catch Obito off guard.

Even if the ability doesn't land Aokiji still gains a significant advantage from freezing his environment, as he can instantly freeze anyone who comes into contact with his ice.

 

[ZKillerz]

If we're equalizing verses then maybe? Hard to say how haki would interact with chakra

Now that I think about it Obito's ability probably bypasses Haki. Even though his ability utilizes chakra his body isn't even in the same dimension as Kuzan. How is he supposed to interact with it?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Now that I think about it Obito's ability probably bypasses Haki. Even though his ability utilizes chakra his body isn't even in the same dimension as Kuzan. How is he supposed to interact with it?

Advanced haki can shoot out it's haki energy anyway

Tho normal haki already uses the energy anyway I think

 

[Godernet]

My guy knows nothing about haki... No that's not how that works, law has haki which is why he can still affect people with haki

My guy also saying aokiji never demonstrated that level of haki lol, I guess smoker has better haki

Again, resistance... Plus regen and obs Haki, that's never happening

so based on this comment, I can tell you have no idea what I'm talking about because we were talking about spatial BFR. Is Smoker resisting BFR here? that level of Haki doesn't appear until BM and Kaido.

Also, how is this mf going to regen getting teleported away?

 

[Kachon123]

Tho normal haki already uses the energy anyway I think

That’s advanced Haki. The second panel is advanced Haki 2

 

[Kachon123]

Is Smoker resisting BFR here? that level of Haki doesn't appear until BM and Kaido.

That’s not how Haki works. Smoker has potent enough Haki to resist PH Law’s fruit abilities, just like BM and Kaidou were able to resist Onigashima Law’s fruit abilities.

Smoker would be able to resist Law’s BFR back in PH because his Haki was on the same level as Law’s.

Also, how is this mf going to regen getting teleported away?

He can’t, although he wouldn’t be getting teleported away due to Haki.

 

[Kachon123]

Ok I’m done for tonight

 

[ZKillerz]

Armarment Haki can resist Spacial Manipulation but Aokiji has never demonstrated that level of Haki

Do you think pre timeskip law can just teleport aokiji as he pleases?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

so based on this comment, I can tell you have no idea what I'm talking about because we were talking about spatial BFR. Is Smoker resisting BFR here? that level of Haki doesn't appear until BM and Kaido.

Yes.. Even smoker, base haki resists spatial manipulation

Initial Stage​

• Resistanceto
  • Spatial Manipulation and Teleportation (Trafalgar Law's abilities, specifically Amputate and Shambles, are shown and stated to not work against those with superior Buso to him[12][26])

Again you have no idea how haki works

Also, how is this mf going to regen getting teleported away?

Create new ice...? He's not going to allow getting fully teleported away, he also already has a resistance so he doesn't need to

 

[ZKillerz]

BM and Kaido don't get affected by spacial manip and even if they did that would simply be a haki feat for law

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That’s advanced Haki. The second panel is advanced Haki 2

The bottom right panel is normal buso

 

[Eminiteable]

The bottom right panel is normal buso

It's not

 

[Deceived3596]

NPI is not intang negation

Bleach's brand of NPI would be a form of intangibility negation because it would allow characters like Tosen to interact with someone like Kuzan on an entirely separate level of existence that Kuzan's intangibility doesn't provide any level of defense for, which would be his soul.

Unless you can provide evidence of Kuzan's intangibility allowing him to resist, and pass through attacks which damage people on a spiritual level, Tosen's indirectly bypassing his intangibility.

 

[ZKillerz]

Hardening (projecting your haki onto your body)
Emission (projecting your haki outside of your body)
Internal destruction (projecting your haki into other objects to destroy it from the inside)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bleach's brand of NPI would be a form of intangibility negation because it would allow characters like Tosen to interact with someone like Kuzan on an entirely separate level of existence that Kuzan's intangibility doesn't provide any level of defense for, which would be his soul.

Unless you can provide evidence of Kuzan's intangibility allowing him to resist, and pass through attacks which damage people on a spiritual level, Tosen's indirectly bypassing his intangibility.

So you basically saying... Any ice from aokiji he attacks, he attacks his soul?

He wouldn't be attacking aokiji himself, so why would it affect his soul?

 

[Deceived3596]

So you basically saying... Any ice from aokiji he attacks, he attacks his soul?

He wouldn't be attacking aokiji himself, so why would it affect his soul?

I'm saying what's considered to be Kuzan's "ice body" would act as an conductor to his soul, not any random ice he throws out.

He would be attacking Kuzan himself, his soul isn't completely independent from his elemental form.