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HST Showdown - (Round 4 - Tainted Dreams)
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Hmm, I guess? But wouldn't the NPI/Soul mani need proof that it could effect a disconnected/other part of the body that's not it's main?
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Uhh.. It's independent from his physiology...
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Bleach characters can affect people's souls while they still reside in the person's body, so that wouldn't be an issue for Tosen.
Such examples would include Hollows whose passive existence damages and poisons the souls of Quincy despite the fact Quincy are humans made out of physical matter, with them having a soul which resides inside of their physical form.
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mmm, not fully convinced but I guess sure
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, so now about his resistance to soul manipulation... Which resist brook's soul manipulation
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What exactly does Brook's soul manipulation do?
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Cut souls, absorb souls, and manipulate their souls to control their senses
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Alright, how layered is his resistance to having his soul cut, because Tosen can soul manipulate people who resist having their soul manipulated.
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Idk 
I guess one is superior to cracker maybe? ... Yee actually I just don't know
I guess one is superior to cracker maybe? ... Yee actually I just don't know
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Welp, if it's just baseline then Tosen's thug hunting Kuzan's soul.
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Don't think it's baseline, but until then aokiji insta freezes in the beginning
Arcker123
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Hitting broski with that Thug Shaker art special
Tosen can just fly away from the ground to avoid it and Shunpo amps will help him dodge
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He can just aoe as well, if you attack him you get frozen and if you touch any of his ice you get frozen as well
Also can just freeze him through the air from a distance instantly without him knowing what just happened
I'll vote aokiji because of that plus has observation haki if needed to counter anything
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EldemadeDityjon
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Tosen can just escape with Shunpo
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Lol how? He won't even know what happened with ice ball to even use it
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EldemadeDityjon
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Why would Tosen let himself hit with Ice ? He isn't stupid enough to wait for ice to touch him.
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He won't know that he's hit with ice, it worked on garp who can blitz aokiji, tosen not doing anything against that
EldemadeDityjon
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Bruh Tosen can even feel clouds moment in the Sky you are saying Ice moving can't be perceived by a guy whose 6Th senses were peak in the bleach?
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Yee, the moment he feels it is the same time he'll get frozen... Again it worked on garp who has observation haki and could blitz aokiji
It kinda spawns on you, Tosen getting ice creamed
EldemadeDityjon
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spiritual Senses> Observation Haki.
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F no lol
Still doesn't matter, even if he senses it... He gets frozen
Stop being ignorant
EldemadeDityjon
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At this point you are joking
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... Bro there's no way you're purposely acting dense, the ice spawns on you... You sensing it spawning on wouldn't do anything as your already affected
Again observation haki can sense invisible slashes and garp can blitz aokiji but still got frozen
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First things first.
Tosen's NPI wouldn't be effective against Kuzan at all in a conventional sense. Shinigami don't interact with outright elements and even if they could negate the intangibility it wouldn't mean much since Kuzan's intangibility is layered.
However Tosen does have a way to counter this is the form of Soul hax of course. Now Kuzan has ways around this, such as creating holes in his body where Tosen will strike thus rendering the attack null and void since he'd be hitting the air itself and not Kuzan.
Secondly, it might not even be effective given that Kuzan in fact has resistance to soul manipulation in the spades. I'm not sure how many layers Tosen has but iirc Kuzan has like 6. I'm also not sure how soul manipulation would even work against a literal mass of ice. The actual body and such isn't really "there." and I can go into greater detail later.
Tosen's NPI wouldn't be effective against Kuzan at all in a conventional sense. Shinigami don't interact with outright elements and even if they could negate the intangibility it wouldn't mean much since Kuzan's intangibility is layered.
However Tosen does have a way to counter this is the form of Soul hax of course. Now Kuzan has ways around this, such as creating holes in his body where Tosen will strike thus rendering the attack null and void since he'd be hitting the air itself and not Kuzan.
Secondly, it might not even be effective given that Kuzan in fact has resistance to soul manipulation in the spades. I'm not sure how many layers Tosen has but iirc Kuzan has like 6. I'm also not sure how soul manipulation would even work against a literal mass of ice. The actual body and such isn't really "there." and I can go into greater detail later.
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Bullshit.
speedster352
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Bleach soul manipulation is way more layered than that. Also resisting your souls being manipulated is not the same as resisting soul destruction. And the one piece soul resistance is flimsy. Also Tosen will just Shunpo into the air. Attack from a range his shikai and bankai is gg.
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Speed you know hardly anything of Bleach. If your so knowledgeable then feel free to enlighten me on how layered it is along with Tosen's soul manip scaling.
Do tell me Speed.
It covers soul destruction as well.
Coming from the notorious NNT (More like NTR at this point with how often Deceived ***** the verse.) wanker on the wiki that isnt much of an insult.
Kuzan has geppo.
Observation Haki to counter the sensory manipulation.
speedster352
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No really resisting your soul being corrupted does no equal resisting soul destruction. Shunpo is like teleportation also tosen has stealth mastery and invisibility even to soul reapers so observation haki is not working. His banaki stops sprit sensing and all forms of sensing except touch so Kuzan is done for in his banaki.
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Man its like Brook doesnt directly damage souls or like Moria being able to damage them either. You obviously have no idea what your even talking about here.
No it literally isn't.
Which Kenbunshoku counters.
Tosen is not invisible to other soul reapers. Speed stop making shit up, ive read Bleach several times and can confrim that most of what your saying is a load of shit you just made up.
this is only from the cloak which wouldn't work given Kuzan doesn't use Reiatsu.
Not all forms of sensing. He takes away 4 of the 5 basic senses, if you have more then 5 you won't be effected much by having 4 of them removed. Kenbunshoku grants like 4 extra senses to work with.
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Aura exists:
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No.
Aura is HER she's different. She's also like, not a Shinigami so L reading comprehension.
speedster352
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Your sixth sense won’t work in his bankai look at his profile. Just get the bleach supporters.
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Bleach's sixth sense =/= every other verses sixth sense. Kenbunshoku also has more than 6 senses so theres also that which you ignored
Or alternatively you can learn how to debate by yourself like an adult. Also I'm a Bleach support so.
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I think Aokiji wins, he has just done massive AoE Ice on folks as a first move before, so it wouldn't be unheard of for him to just think and win here more often then the other two, and since Obito can't to my knowledge Genjutsu two people who are 4 Kilometers away each, and Tosen lacks range, Aokiji is the logical victor with his easier to pull off wincons
Of course if Aokiji lets the fight go beyond a couple Kilometers he's probably ****** but that's a big if cause he's pretty no mercy on unknowns.
Of course if Aokiji lets the fight go beyond a couple Kilometers he's probably ****** but that's a big if cause he's pretty no mercy on unknowns.
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Neither Aokiji nor Obito have resistance to sleep manip on their profiles. Tosen has AOE sleep manip with his Shikai, which is a move he has opened with in character in the key being used. And before someone says “Aokiji covers his ears with ice or his hands cuz he kenbuns it”, yeah no, neither ice nor your hand are good insulators, especially for loud sharp sounds. Also, if Tōsen puts either of them in his Bankai it’s over, since their only available sense will be touch. Using the Sharingan and Kenbun to see nothing but pitch black will be real nice.
So I’m voting Tosen via his Shikai and Bankai hax, his enhanced mobility with Shunpo, and his general bloodlusted in character behavior.
So I’m voting Tosen via his Shikai and Bankai hax, his enhanced mobility with Shunpo, and his general bloodlusted in character behavior.
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Man these things from Tōsen are super cool! Unfortunate that he doesn't have the range to ******* USE THEM. They start at 4 Kilometers, Tosen is a popsicle, Genjutsu'd, or both by the time he could even get in 999 meters of either Aokiji or Obito.
