Kenbunshoku Haki users can counter the removal of the basic senses by using the ones granted to them from Kenbunshoku. (Mind reading, aura vision which let's you see even while blinded. Like this.) Kenbunshoku also lets one act without being awake.
Aight that’s fair, doesn’t affect my vote tho.Kenbunshoku Haki users can counter the removal of the basic senses by using the ones granted to them from Kenbunshoku. (Mind reading, aura vision which let's you see even while blinded. Like this.) Kenbunshoku also lets one act without being awake.
Then popsicle'd it is, if this was Tosen's range, I could probably see him pulling more wins then Obito out of his ass, but we aren't in his range so he's ****** due to Aokiji countering him.
Tosen will just evade the ice with Shunpo
. Blitz attacks are explicitly forbidden in these anyway, so there’s no way Tosen is getting blitzed especially when he has FTE movement amps.
Fine, he puts em to sleep and then erases their existence with Haien :usopplaugh:
Avoid the mutli-kilometer big AoE Ice that's done with a thought? It's not even a blitz attack, it's an attack spawning on him that he just can't deal with lolTosen will just evade the ice with Shunpo
Captain level characters can traverse multiple km with Shunpo.
Which is a speed amp activated with a thought right? Or is this just Tosen's profile being garbage cause THIS is his range section? OR is this me not having even touched Bleach's anime or Manga in my life?
Haven't read the rest of the thread to know if this was covered yet but Kenbunshoku Haki specifically grants instinctive action due to them being able to fight while asleep or while disconnected from the rest of their body like with Kin'emon. While this wouldn't let Aokiji resist being put to sleep it should allow him to keep fighting regardless.
Bro… AND HOW CAN YOU DEAL WITH IT, I think I just either don’t fit in vs matches or you guys just idk like to waste time doing/arguing nothing
Damn, so how is anyone supposed to damage aokiji?
Kenbun wakes them up.
That's the fun part, cause Aokiji has more then enough AoE on his ice that he drops on randoms he doesn't know to make Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr. Freeze Proud.
Tosen can just fly away and amp to avoid it with Shunpo and Obito just warps into Kamui. This isn't really a game changer given how both of his opponents have easy counters
.This response is actually crazy though and i'm tempted to say you have not been paying attention because of it. Arc just got done explaining how captain level soul reapers can travel 26km at FTE speeds with a single step in their Shunpo and you're out here talking about "it'll take ten years to reach." That's just blatantly disingenuous. Aokiji's AOE get's dodged by amps and flight from Tosen and Kamui from Obito.
Oh he starts flying and- oh he's already an ice sculpture. Going up helps about as as much as going left, right, backwards, or anticipating Aokiji literally thinking once.Tosen can just fly away and amp to avoid it with Shunpo and Obito just warps into Kamui. This isn't really a game changer given how both of his opponents have easy counters
This response is actually crazy though and i'm tempted to say you have not been paying attention because of it. Arc just got done explaining how captain level soul reapers can travel 26km at FTE speeds with a single step in their Shunpo and you're out here talking about "it'll take ten years to reach." That's just blatantly disingenuous. Aokiji's AOE get's dodged by amps and flight from Tosen and Kamui from Obito.
Reiatsu Concealing cloak makes this kinda a GG for Tosen because he can't be sensed with it, allowing for him to just creep up and Bankai + Soul hax gg...
The Dunning-Kruger Effect
This is objectively just you not paying attention. Base speeds are equalized, amps aren't. Tosen can amp to FTE Aokiji and cross kilometers at that same speed to Aokiji. Equalization does not change that.
Have you even attempted looked at his profile? it's right there in soul physiology
No I already addressed this above. Tōsen doesn't remove all of your senses, he removes the main ones. Kenbunshoku have a lot more senses than even Shinigami from Bleach so that's not countering Kenbunshoku.
One, Two, Three.
Show me him freezing the air instantly as a starting move, all I've seen are ground freezing, and besides, amps help him avoid it. This is ignoring the fact he won't be able to see or sense a cloaked Tosen.
The Dunning-Kruger Effect
This is objectively just you not paying attention. Base speeds are equalized, amps aren't. Tosen can amp to FTE Aokiji and cross kilometers at that same speed to Aokiji. Equalization does not change that.
Oh cool, it's in the verse power, not the speed section, so no, it's not on his profile directly.
For Obito maybe. Kuzan can sense him just fine since he isn't "sensing the soul." or anything like that. Mind reading, Enhanced Senses, etc all take care of the Cloak.
Soul Physiology is on his profile and therefore it is on his profile, this is just baseless semantics
How does any of this prove that Tosen wouldn't be able to fly away from this?
Physiology Page is already in his profile
Or you can get off your ass and Unfuck the profile? Want me to buy it, get it onto his speed section. End of discussion.
See above
Fixed
The rest of him gets frozen.
If he isn't frozen and Kuzan can ya know, dodge. That EE Kido doesnt exactly have impressive AoE behind it.
I mean I'm sure if you asked Monkey of Life he'd probably say he does lol. But yeah if it hits him he's dead but that's not my argument ofc
Tosen does explicitly remove the sixth sense from his victims. The only sense that remains is touch.
. He's still freezing physical constructs, not the air itself, which Tosen would be flying in.Bro you can't be this lazy. It's not my fault you refuse to read the damn profile and read his physiology page. Nobody lists it on profile as it's not a specified amp (No specific value to put on it), just FTE to relative opponents.
It's on the phys page which is on the profile. If this was decent reasoning, there would be no need for phys pages.
Yeah, I understand he has good Ice shit, but I think it can be reasonably countered by both opponents. Also, it does take time to travel from point a to b no? Like when freezing.
You're an intellectually lazy hack. Stop getting hostile that people are telling you where it is on the profile when you claimed it wasn't on the profile. Just cuz an amp is not on the section does not mean it's not valid. What kind of reasoning is this?
Because you didn't show him flash freezing the air directly, you just showed him freezing tall structures
. Amps and Kamui also helps from dodging a massive freezing attack coming at him.Fair enough to all this but I wouldn't say.
There's nothing "******" about the profile, haki is also done like this it's tedious cluttering and repetitive to rather than having a physiology page, how about you get an attention span greater than a toddler's
You showed a bunch of scans of Aokiji freezing things at ground level, the only things frozen above ground level were building and the sea king which would've gotten hit by the ground level freezing initially that's not touching Tosen
Tosen spams Danmaku technically he gets to know his Zanpackto or anything touching Kuzan would gets Frozen. It will give an idea to change the tactics.
Yeah he needs to get close but he can use that as last resort when his Zanpackto powers gets frozen for that part he can use his Bankai and remove all senses from Kuzan and spam the EE kido inside that
Air can be apsolute zero and not turn into ice dude, ya those sparkles in the first scan? Yeah that's the air freezing.Tosen does explicitly remove the sixth sense from his victims. The only sense that remains is touch.
Bro you can't be this lazy. It's not my fault you refuse to read the damn profile and read his physiology page. Nobody lists it on profile as it's not a specified amp (No specific value to put on it), just FTE to relative opponents.
It's on the phys page which is on the profile. If this was decent reasoning, there would be no need for phys pages.
Yeah, I understand he has good Ice shit, but I think it can be reasonably countered by both opponents. Also, it does take time to travel from point a to b no? Like when freezing.
Yeah that's strong, but also both characters only need a second with him to win so as long as they don't get oneshot by this passive aura then it's good.
You're an intellectually lazy hack. Stop getting hostile that people are telling you where it is on the profile when you claimed it wasn't on the profile. Just cuz an amp is not on the section does not mean it's not valid. What kind of reasoning is this?
Because you didn't show him flash freezing the air directly, you just showed him freezing tall structures
Fair enough to all this but I wouldn't say.
Overall, I'd say Tosen like, 6 or 7/10 tbh. I just think he can reliably deal with both opponents whereas I don't think Obito can really beat Tosen or Kuzan can really get past Kamui spam and so on, when I think Tosen can deal with both.
@Deceived3596 U can put me for Tosen
Oh so the scanless and referenceless Speed is just fine when the rest of the profile sets a pretty damn high standard? Good to know.
I want you to go back and read what I said slowly. Because what I said was that Tosen doesn't remove all of your senses, just the main ones outside of touch.
How so?
Yes and no. Remember he's thing isn't freezing with ice, that's just a byproduct. What he really does is manipulate the temperature of shit, so he can freeze you "instantly." with this method. (And no I don't mean ******* infinite speed or whatever.) resulting in shit like this.
