Oh my god I go for a day and everything got derailed on tier 2 structures? Can you all stay on topic in regards to what's being discussed? If you don't I'll either start deleting comments that aren't on topic or worse move this to a staff only thread to prevent any derailment. Anyways where was I?
@Sevil Natas So it's based off an assumption, which again doesn't help get a solid rating here. We need more proof that the Lost Souls Nirvana is the actual place, having it be there because assumptions isn't really helping our case, and once again reinforces my point that we should've waited until we got proof on higher dimensional structures in DMC being a part of the demon world to get this in the first place.
Ok, that doesn't again prove anything higher dimensional, it's just proof that they existed prior to the demon world.
I still don't really see how you can get tier 1 on a 9-D SCALE from a couple of random Low 2-C structures, at best you could possibly get Low 1-C, but 9-D you'd need several lower infinite realms of existence to get there.
Forgive me, I wasn't clear on my statement, I meant type 4 and 8 immortality
negation. Does Dante have any cutscenes of permanently killing these monsters? Because the lore literally says they resurrect again to hunt down their prey, meaning even if Dante "kills them", they can come back and fight again.
You have one scan saying it can null regen, the other doesn't remotely mention regen nulling, just that it can kill demons, and even so what demons are they exactly killing? The vessels they take over? Because you're not really killing them without affecting their souls. Not only that but 3 of the mainline games contradict them not needing their souls to live when the moment their soul is destroyed they die. Do you have any other showings of demons coming back even if their soul is destroyed? If so that can help with the regen, if this one statement is all you have then It's not helping your case when nothing else in the series backs this up.
That's... not what sealing is though. It just sucks your soul away and that's it, the mission description even says to reclaim the bridge
before the soul is lost forever. So idk where you're getting the idea it's sealing. Also it's not a game mechanic thing when you have an entire cutscene on top of mission description flat out showing that Dante is being affected and will die if he fails the mission. The fact he actually dies in devil trigger should you fail is the cherry on top.
Go to Sin Scythe paragraph 7. Also this isn't saying Dante's weaker than a demon fodder, this is just proof that especially Sparda heritage demons do not scale to high godly because any time there's showings of their souls being consumed or ripped, they all die instantly.
Again you have one random statement about a demon soul, while we have numerous cutscenes on devil arms, one of them from Cerberus flat out saying it's his own soul, being a 3-D object. This one statement is not enough as it raises way too many questions on what the hell devil arms are supposed to be in the first place, which once again,
is why I told you to wait until we got more scans.
@Lightning_XXI Addressed the first comment in my reply to Sevil, I meant dante getting immortality negation, not the demons lacking type 4 and 8.
But do we remotely have any showings of demons flat out regenerating despite their souls being destroyed? Because that's kind of important for them to scale to this level of regen when we've shown no evidence for this. Also this especially is an antifeat for sparda heritage characters since they have anti feats for this.
@GilverTheProtoAngelo I meant negation of immortality, not the demons having immortality, Also are there cutscenes or any statements whatsoever that Dante can permanently end those demons? As in they don't resurrect and do not chase after their prey? If we don't then we can't prove that as the lore literally says they revive to hunt down their prey.
No, they die from their soul being destroyed. That's how Dante kills griffon and Phantom in 5, and Nightmare in both 1 and 5.
All we know of the neogenerator is that it sucks the souls of those who hold it, that's it. No mention of preventing any regeneration from happening or causing permanent wounds that cannot heal. So this contradicts any Sparda heritage characters scaling.
You do realize you're cherry picking right? The enemy files are flat out lore statements for the enemies. And this is the one enemy in the entirety of DMC 1 that has an instant death move regardless of how much health dante has, and it's not an AP attack, it's literally ripping out Dante's soul, and the game itself mentions it as instant death. This and the DMC 3 neo generator makes this way too inconsistent for sparda heritage to have high godly.
Again, these devil arms, on top of nightmare griffon and phantom being shown doesn't help this random statement on how souls function when nothing else in the series back this up. Hence why I kept saying we need to wait until we get more evidence to have this be legit because nothing else in the series backs 9-D demon souls up.
