2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT

[SuperSonicTL]

My argument is there is a statement that basically implies the existence of many ifs/alternate worlds given the reasoning involved in this.

Yeah and that's not referring to Demon World... The novel statement you brought actually has its own context which we'll shed a light on someday.

For now, drop that argument and lets focus on the actual spatial argument we are on about.

 

[SeijiSetto]

[...] then I can't argue against it as it's already done.

just for the record, "it already passed" is not a good reason to say "i can't do anything"
if it passed when it shouldn't have, you're absolutely free (and encouraged, even) to call it out and go to undo it

Also not a real fan of whataboutism in situations when the evidence for the verse’s own cosmology should used here

like planck already said well, throwing out "whataboutism" whenever someone brings up a similar thing is a silly thing to do.
when things aren't clear, you look to past cases that are similar to see what was done there. that's what precedent is, and shutting down any discussion of the same thing being applied elsewhere isn't helping anyone.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Yeah and that's not referring to Demon World... The novel statement you brought actually has its own context which we'll shed a light on someday.

For now, drop that argument and lets focus on the actual spatial argument we are on about.

The problem with this, it doesn’t necessarily exclude the Demon world by default.

There is no evidence that will suggest it would exclude the Demon World and Human World though. Just because it doesn’t mention any specific worlds doesn’t prevent that statement from applying to the Demon World and Human World.

like planck already said well, throwing out "whataboutism" whenever someone brings up a similar thing is a silly thing to do.
when things aren't clear, you look to past cases that are similar to see what was done there. that's what precedent is, and shutting down any discussion of the same thing being applied elsewhere isn't helping anyone.

I am aware of what Precedent means, but that doesn’t mean I agree that magically exclude whataboutism being used tbh.



Either way, I still continue to make my disagreement well known for this.

Edit: Also because this can lead to a slippery slope as well.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

just for the record, "it already passed" is not a good reason to say "i can't do anything"
if it passed when it shouldn't have, you're absolutely free (and encouraged, even) to call it out and go to undo it

I'm referring to as of right now, I can't do anything until a thread is made about the topic as we have no standard. I even said previously that I would try and make a thread about that topic when able.

 

[Deagonx]

I believe the biggest issue with this entire revision is that there's no precedent for this.

We need some proper standards set before we allow 2-A based on potentially being able to store a 2-A amount of stuff within a space.

I will note, crucially, that his argument for 2-A is that the structure is Low 1-C. There isn't any evidence of it containing an infinite amount of universes. The premise of the upgrade is kind of farcical in that regard.

OP is not arguing that it is stated within the verse that the DW contains an infinite amount of universes. He is not arguing that there are statements indicating it could have an infinite amount of universes.

He is stating that he believes the Demon World is Low 1-C based on arguments that have been rejected in past threads (not inherently an issue) and saying that the Demon World should be able to hold an infinite amount of universes due to being Low 1-C, and thus should be given 2-A.

That really doesn't make any sense, and I don't know why it has so many agrees. I don't know whether these agree votes really believe it's Low 1-C or if they didn't go through the argument/evidence, but there's just no way to arrive at 2-A here. It's either Low 1-C or nothing based on the arguments put forth.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I will note, crucially, that his argument for 2-A is that the structure is Low 1-C. There isn't any evidence of it containing an infinite amount of universes. The premise of the upgrade is kind of farcical in that regard.

OP is not arguing that it is stated within the verse that the DW contains an infinite amount of universes. He is not arguing that there are statements indicating it could have an infinite amount of universes.

He is stating that he believes the Demon World is Low 1-C based on arguments that have been rejected in past threads (not inherently an issue) and saying that the Demon World should be able to hold an infinite amount of universes due to being Low 1-C, and thus should be given 2-A.

That really doesn't make any sense, and I don't know why it has so many agrees. I don't know whether these agree votes really believe it's Low 1-C or if they didn't go through the argument/evidence, but there's just no way to arrive at 2-A here. It's either Low 1-C or nothing based on the arguments put forth.

Duly noted.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I will note, crucially, that his argument for 2-A is that the structure is Low 1-C. There isn't any evidence of it containing an infinite amount of universes. The premise of the upgrade is kind of farcical in that regard.

OP is not arguing that it is stated within the verse that the DW contains an infinite amount of universes. He is not arguing that there are statements indicating it could have an infinite amount of universes.

He is stating that he believes the Demon World is Low 1-C based on arguments that have been rejected in past threads (not inherently an issue) and saying that the Demon World should be able to hold an infinite amount of universes due to being Low 1-C, and thus should be given 2-A.

That really doesn't make any sense, and I don't know why it has so many agrees. I don't know whether these agree votes really believe it's Low 1-C or if they didn't go through the argument/evidence, but there's just no way to arrive at 2-A here. It's either Low 1-C or nothing based on the arguments put forth.

Huh, I assumed 2-A was coming from the fact that the Demon World was infinite and contains many space-time continuum within it, so regardless of if it was Low 1-C (Which I don't think works at the moment), it would potentially/theoretically be capable of holding an infinite number of universes regardless do it it's size thus making it 2-A.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Huh, I assumed 2-A was coming from the fact that the Demon World was infinite and contains many space-time continuum within it, so regardless of if it was Low 1-C (Which I don't think works at the moment), it would potentially/theoretically be capable of holding an infinite number of universes regardless do it it's size thus making it 2-A.

Basically my argument is:

• Demon World is Infinite Darkness.
• It is also stated to be a container.
• The panel is straight up depicting the quality and quantity difference between both the container and the inhibitor of it, a sort of duality
• It gave birth to Human World which is also stated to be a ray of light which is basically our universe in contrast to Demon World which is stated to be that aformentioned Darkness.
• Demon World has different dimensions within it in which some are infinite spatially as well as stated on screen to be space-time continuums and have separate rules of space and time altogether.

I think I make enough sense here, personally speaking. It should be at bare minimum 2A, L1C is just a possible extension altogether. Previous thread has no bearance as I pointed out many times at this point here.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Basically my argument is:

• Demon World is Infinite Darkness.
• It is also stated to be a container.
• The panel is straight up depicting the quality and quantity difference between both the container and the inhibitor of it, a sort of duality
• It gave birth to Human World which is also stated to be a ray of light which is basically our universe in contrast to Demon World which is stated to be that aformentioned Darkness.
• Demon World has different dimensions within it in which some are infinite spatially as well as stated on screen to be space-time continuums and have separate rules of space and time altogether.

I think I make enough sense here, personally speaking. It should be at bare minimum 2A, L1C is just a possible extension altogether. Previous thread has no bearance as I pointed out many times at this point here.

Then no, I don't see it being 2-A. Infinity is a fickle thing. You can shove infinite things into an infinite container and it wouldn't change the size of the container. Why? Because context matters.

In this instance you're trying to determine the size of the container without determining how many  real things can actually fit inside it. Contrary to popular belief, the jump from Low 2-C to Low 1-C is still a quantitative leap. You still need to prove that the container is dimensionally transcendent over its contents or is able to contain an uncountably infinite amount of universes.

Showing scans of "oh the Demon World is infinitely bigger than the Human World and can contain all these countably finite universes!" isn't enough to warrant that the container is Low 1-C, and thus you cannot argue the contents are 2-A.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Then no, I don't see it being 2-A. Infinity is a fickle thing. You can shove infinite things into an infinite container and it wouldn't change the size of the container. Why? Because context matters.

Exactly Sir Ovens, the context always matters which is exactly why I'm pushing for this rating.

In this instance you're trying to determine the size of the container without determining how many  real things can actually fit inside it. Contrary to popular belief, the jump from Low 2-C to Low 1-C is still a quantitative leap. You still need to prove that the container is dimensionally transcendent over its contents or is able to contain an uncountably infinite amount of universes.

You see Sir Ovens... That's why I specifically disagree with this notion. With the provided evidence, I really don't see a need to quantify infinite universes when the structure demands infinite universes to exist within it.

But if it helps, Demon World is also referred to as higher realm to lower realm which is Human World as well as sees it as nothing but a mere ray of light within its infinite expense.

If that isn't a showcase of structural superiority aside from the fact that it literally gave birth to a universe with separate laws and flow of time within it on panel infront of us then I don't know what else is.

Showing scans of "oh the Demon World is infinitely bigger than the Human World and can contain all these countably finite universes!" isn't enough to warrant that the container is Low 1-C, and thus you cannot argue the contents are 2-A.

Uhh... Who told you it is infinite to just in relation to Human World and not also infinite on its own as a container as well?