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I did had that in mind cuz Dante shows you can do it off and on. Tho I thought supernatural willpower already considerate a possible counter
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Devil May Cry: Abilities removal
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A soldier doesn't have Supernatural Willpower. They have, at best, Pretty Aight Willpower
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Am soldier. Can confirm.
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Or simply put, not every demon radiates feat that way
Just index the ones that have done so, either passively or actively and move on
Just index the ones that have done so, either passively or actively and move on
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We have blatant statements that inanimate objects somehow felt "fear" so i don't see a problem whatsoever.
Don't question how it works it just does
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I found the scene in question. They definitely manage to kill one of the Empusa, but overall it's not that effective.
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That is what the OP is proposing, yes.
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There is a violently massive difference between aura and fearhax.
There is also a massive difference between an artistic visual effect and fearhax. Every time a manga uses an aura-like effect, it doesn't mean magic is pumping wildly off the character.
These are mutually exclusive.
Also, having checked the Urizen scan, it is never stated to be fearhax. In fact, V specifically says it's his power.
Again, there's a difference between your aura demonstrating that you're powerful and dangerous, and actually manipulating fear itself independently.
Something too many people on this wiki, you included, don't seem to recognize.
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I disagree heavily with fearhax. Very specifically aura. Aura being misinterpreted as fearhax because it scares people has been a ******* epidemic on this site.
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no there isn't
aura covers fear hax
Aura
The ability to have energy envelop the user. It can be used (consciously or subconsciously) for various purposes (such as intimidation). This covers supernatural abilities only, natural effects fall under Social Influencing. Explosive – When activated, this type of aura creates a powerful shock...
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Then call it Aura and not fearhax.no there isn't
aura covers fear hax
Aura
The ability to have energy envelop the user. It can be used (consciously or subconsciously) for various purposes (such as intimidation). This covers supernatural abilities only, natural effects fall under Social Influencing. Explosive – When activated, this type of aura creates a powerful shock...
If it makes someone scared because the person is scary and dangerous to them and that is displayed by their aura, then it's just aura. 99.99% of Aura showings do this; they are not fearhax.
Fearhax implies that it would work on anyone by controlling their fear directly, even if they knowingly have no other reason to fear him, which we have never seen occur in Devil May Cry.
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yeah no
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a lot of characters from these verses literally have fear hax listed on their profiles because of their aura
its not just aura, its also fear hax
this is just simply not true
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Usually listing aura as fearhax requires wank a good amount of evidence that it's supernaturally inflicting fear rather than just sort of imposing your presence on someone who's weaker. For example Hunter X Hunter (and from my limited understanding, Bleach) have aura that does have a straight-up fear effect, and you need to be versed in the same power to resist it in-verse.
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If they have it listed because they have big auras, then the pages are wrong.yeah no
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a lot of characters from these verses literally have fear hax listed on their profiles because of their aura
its not just aura, its also fear hax
this is just simply not true
Also As Nodt literally has fear manip as his power
He doesnt just have it as a consequence of how aura is portrayed in his verse.
I was literally planning to use As Nodt as an illustration of my point. All of the other characters listed as examples on the fear manip page (that I know of) also have fear as an actual power of theirs.
You do not get fear manip just for scaring someone, any more than you get Mind Manip for convincing someone to change their mind
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This
Exactly this
Hunter X Hunter also has many people get scared of another person's aura because it shows that they're big strong.
Characters that do NOT have fear manip, because that would require having the specific power to control fear itself.
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Overall neutral, but I'll say this:
Lady shot DMC3 Dante in the face and made him bleed. One drop of 75% diluted Sparda blood with no devil trigger > 99.9% of the demon world, and Dante is 50%. She's Mary Stu lol
Lady shot DMC3 Dante in the face and made him bleed. One drop of 75% diluted Sparda blood with no devil trigger > 99.9% of the demon world, and Dante is 50%. She's Mary Stu lol
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I don't believe this ever came to a conclusion. Bump
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Most of the OP consists of an assumption about different degrees of canon with no basis. The novels are officially confirmed canon, there is no evidence of these assumed different levels of canon, and the sources linked talk about adaptations of the same story and inconsistencies between versions, not canon sequels and prequels, which is what the novels are.
The burdon of proof is not on us to prove that these confirmed canon events are as canon as each other, the burdon is on the OP to prove that from these two or three confirmed canon parts of the same story, some are less or more canon than others.
The burdon of proof is not on us to prove that these confirmed canon events are as canon as each other, the burdon is on the OP to prove that from these two or three confirmed canon parts of the same story, some are less or more canon than others.
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We've gone over this, that doesn't change the fact that there's more showings that disprove the fearhax than ones in favor of it. I think it's silly to claim that the novels hold as much weight as the games proper but even if you disagree with that it doesn't really change things much.
Anyhow, vote tally:
Fear stuff:
Anyhow, vote tally:
Fear stuff:
- Agreements: Deagonx, Me
- Disagreements: Glassman
- Neutral: Planck
- Agreements: Deagonx
- Disagreements: Planck, Glassman, Me
- Neutral:
- Agreements: Deagonx, Planck, Me
- Disagreements: Glassman
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@Catzlaflame @Mr. Bambu @Firestorm808 @Maverick_Zero_X @FinePoint
Could I trouble any of you to suffer through the above and help us come to a conclusion? Here is a summary of the current arguments:
you will be the first to be raptured
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I'm also in favor of removal
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I want it to be noted that Urizen and Dante's fearhax feats in VOV still prove it is within the main entries, because their powers are just Demon powers cranked up to like, 11 due to their Sparda blood, with the unique abilities from Sparda's blood being things like manipulating Names, not the effects of Demonic Energy in general that has been described in various material (Vol.1, Vol.2, Deadly Fortune, and VoV). Also, it occurs to me that Grue being able to resist (he was paralyzed, but he wasn't ripping out and eating his own eyes) his mind being zonked (and the fact Human Spirit acts as the equal opposite reaction to Demonic Energy, and how canonically allows Humans to overcome their foes) would be literal in story proof that humans can resist so long as they have the Will to do so. So I personally still maintain that the Fearhax should stay.
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People are ignoring the fact that games have been made explicitly taking existing novels in mind to avoid contradictions. Everything in the series holds the same weight (with the exception of the western adaptations).
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I share the same sentiments.
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In the interest of concluding this, there are now enough votes to apply the fear and probability stuff, but not the poison stuff.
In the interest of concluding this, there are now enough votes to apply the fear and probability stuff, but not the poison stuff.
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I'd like to mention that I don't think we've seen any actual rebuttal to the in-universe mechanics of human will/emotion and that some humans simply can resist (Grue) when others can't (Everyone else in the club eating their own eyes.)
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I feel like the argument of "normal human people can resist it, but not because it's weak but because of verse mechanics" is a very convenient one to make, and not a convincing one if based on very vague talks of the strength of human willpower. It's not like you ever see normal people suddenly being capable of fighting demons (even the same ones who can resist that hax, Lady aside)
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She’s literally this. So is Beryl, (who then harms them physically with her Anti-Demon Rifle) the Order of the Sword (who then harms them physically with their Anti-Demon Technology), Arkham (who then harms them with the Demon Magic he harnesses after a ritual), Chen (who altered his body with Demon DNA), and Arius (Harnesses Demon Magic from Argosax). They are all normal people who then suddenly gain “beat the **** out of Demon” capacity.
Hell, Arkham becomes goop because his human spirit/will is corrupt and as such is unworthy to wield Sparda’s power + reveals his malignant nature due to his evil thoughts and intentions turning him what he was on the inside-A foul person who cast aside emotion (humanity). The Ascension Ceremony is also built on this concept, based strength of will and spirit to survive and evolve from it, becoming what their thoughts are. (Credo became a genuine Angel with an unbreakable shield to mirror his resolve, Agnus became an ugly bug due to his flighty nature and dark heart, and Mr. Evil Pope became a “Messiah” because he genuinely believed he was one.)
This is a built in verse mechanic.
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You literally outlined how they all need special means to fight on even grounds with the demons. The willpower thing if taken at face value would imply they'd just be able to do that shit barehanded, given it mentions a great release of energy and so.
I'm not denying that it's a mechanic that exists in some capacity but I think it's silly to claim that it just so happens to be kicking in in every instance where humans aren't affected by the fearhax. Keep in mind that in a lot of those counter-showings the humans don't seem to be in any particular distress at all (see most of the anime showings in the OP), or on the contrary are terrified normal people who really shouldn't be assumed to all have incredible willpower that lets them partially ignore the ability or whatever (given that the ability is stated to straight-up drive normal people insane).
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I don't see how the two are linked. You're saying that keeping your sanity through willpower also means gaining superhuman strength through willpower. The two aren't connected.
It's hard to say they're not affected by fear hax when they are afraid, or if the demons are trying to speak with them. Pretty much every ant-feat here features humans who are scared, or it's Lady who is clearly different.
The anime showings all show the people being fearful. It seems like this whole interpretation is at best basically taking anti-feats as proof. I also don't see how guys being terrified but not maddened is a fear hax anti-feat instead of just a madness hax anti-feat. At very best it seems unreasonable to get rid of abilities that are so blatantly stated over and over due to inconsistencies, let alone when such a standard could be applied to many verses.
What's happening here is you're looking at an ability that is directly and explicitly stated to exist and has been shown in action several times, and you're deciding that it doesn't exist.
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Incorrect. He's not referring to damage, but to seemingly resisting fearhax.
It's hard to say they're not affected by fearhax when they're afraid? Of the big scary monsters? Like normal people?
It's because fearhax needs to be treated with heavy scrutiny, since it's over-applied in the incredibly vast majority of cases.
Because there's more to suggest it doesn't. And, again, because fearhax requires a greater deal of scrutiny than most abilities due to how easy it is to incorrectly apply it.
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I agree to these removals.
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All of this would be valid if the ability wasn't directly stated to exist. I'm not presenting people being afraid as proof of fear hax, I'm saying that those people being afraid doesn't contradict the direct statements which tell us that demons have fear hax. You're the ones presenting scenes where people are afraid as anti-feats to fear hax. Anti-feats and inconsistency is a questionable piece of evidence at the best of times.
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In the case of an ability like fearhax, which has been hit with such an epidemic of being over-applied with minimal evidence, anti-feats and inconsistency become very important to keep in mind.
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Thr argument is there for demons indeed causing apprehension and such.
But no, they do not have the fearhax to simply drive humans insane with their mere presence.
Even if they do in the novels, that would contradict the games.
"The games aren't more canon"
In the case of inconsistencies, yes they fukking are. The novels are also primary canon, sure, whatever.
If there's a contradiction, the games take precedence, and later games take precedence over previous ones.
If Devil May Cry 5 had Vergil mention that Gilver was never a thing, then whoop-dee-doo Gilver is no longer canon by our standards.
And what Devil May Cry 5 did have was humans not going insane from nearby demons.
As did 4, and 3.
But no, they do not have the fearhax to simply drive humans insane with their mere presence.
Even if they do in the novels, that would contradict the games.
"The games aren't more canon"
In the case of inconsistencies, yes they fukking are. The novels are also primary canon, sure, whatever.
If there's a contradiction, the games take precedence, and later games take precedence over previous ones.
If Devil May Cry 5 had Vergil mention that Gilver was never a thing, then whoop-dee-doo Gilver is no longer canon by our standards.
And what Devil May Cry 5 did have was humans not going insane from nearby demons.
As did 4, and 3.
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The events from the books need to be looked at. We don't get to just say this thing that happened doesn't exist. Besides, I've only read the DMC2 novel which is why I'm only talking about fear hax. You seem to be equating fear and madness here.
... These are prequel and sequel novels, not adaptations. We don't get to arbitrarily decide this stuff like that. You're literally saying they're less canon because they're less popular. Admittedly some stories would heavily benefit from that, but it doesn't make it true.
Debatable, and at best all effort should still be made to reconcile all canon material, as stated on the Wiki's outlier page. The novels are not adaptations, they are canon sequels and prequels.
... Vergil and Gilver aren't actually the same being. At best you're describing retcons, which is something else again.
I'm talking about fear hax, not madness. We could ask others about the madness stuff, but we'd be waiting until the end of time for an answer. Given that many humans, notably Lady and Beryl, have resistance and special abilities, and the very novel that introduces madness hax also demonstrates that Grue can resist it, these anti-feats don't seem like an automatic issue. The feat itself shows that some humans resist it, and the anti-feats show humans resisting.
The questioning of fear hax is due to people seeing someone scared and immediately calling it fear hax, which is not the same as an explicitly described fear hax that has some possible inconsistencies, that also have possible explanations.
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I was under the impression that it was madness induced via fear hax.
I never said that.
I'm not saying they're less canon. I'm saying the games are primary canon. There is a difference.
Devil May Cry is, at its core, a video game series. The books are prequel and sequel spinoffs that are not created by the primary writers and directors of the most recent mainline games. They are still canon, sure.
They aren't less canon just because they're less popular (that would be a completely braindead argument that would be dead in the water anyway, not sure why you assumed that was my reasoning).
It's just that the presentation of the games must be taken as the primary intended presentation, due to them being the intended face of the series, as well as its most recent entries.
Very true. My concern is that the materials are fundamentally incompatible due to simply treated the verse's powers differently from one another, in a way that thus far has already proven difficult to reconcile.
That's fair, Gilver was a bad example to use.
I'm still unclear on why those individuals in particular are special and able to resist it. The argument, as far as I'm aware, is that demons inherently fearhax humans, but the humans who are able to resist seem to do so arbitrarily. If anything, rather than those humans being special for no apparent reason, that would seem to imply that the fear-inducement isn't actually particularly strong and can be countered rather easily by mundane bravery. At which point we would call it Aura rather than outright Fear Manip.
This is also true, and is something I've learned we need to be more on-guard against, hence my extreme scrutiny here.
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This is explicitly incorrect. Shinya Gokieda and Hideki Kamiya (creator of the first game title) wrote Volume 1. Shinya then wrote Volume 2 without any (known) aid due to the known awful development of DMC2, but given he wrote them with the information and aid of Kamiya in mind from the prior title, its not that big a deal. The DMC3 Manga was written by Suguro Chayamachi with the aid of people working on the game, hence why Dante REFERENCES IT in the game it goes with. Said Game was MADE to complement the Original Story WRITTEN BY KAMIYA (VOLUME 1). DMC4's Novel, Deadly Fortune, was written by Bingo Morihashi. Who worked on the writing for the GAMES of DMC2, DMC3, DMC4, and Before the Nightmare, or DMC5's Novel, as well as the Anime. He also went on to write for DMC5 itself. The only piece of material genuinely written by someone else was Tomio Ogata, who wrote Visions of V, a Manga that was explicitly just the PLOT OF DMC5 from V's perspective. And Vol. 2 due to behind the scenes awfulness. Like, this claim is a MASSIVE NO. Almost all the material we use is made by primary writers, and has been reviewed by an even higher authority primary writer (Itsuno) and validated by him. Like, I'm so lost as to how you got this conclusion.
EDIT: Nope. Turns out I was wrong. Even Visions of V was worked on by a Primary Author in the form of Itsuno, as he directed and chose elements like the sword Dante held in Mission/Chapter 9 of the Manga, (being Rebellion instead of Alastor), which means it's straight up just all the material. These feats are simply apart of the same vision the writers of the games have, despite inconsistencies, and as such this defense holds NO water.
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