Bleach Revisions Part 3: Post-Timeskip (Fullbring, TYBW and CFYOW Novel) (Part 3)

[Baldurgate]

@Sigurd; where does it say that the only reason they can fight him is due to speed?
The same chapter also states that Urahara, Mayuri and Ginjo could fight him too but they're not all rated as MFTL.

Bankai Ginjo should be: Possible High 6-A .Also in base vs base, Grimmjow was ~ him. So with resurreccion multipliers, it should be 6-A. Same with other arrancars.

Also Tokinada tanked Ginjo's getsuga, good achieve for scaling his defense.

 

[Damage3245]

I do agree that it doesn't make sense to assume they're only talking about True Shikai Ichigo. And that it doesn't necessarily have to do specifically with speed.

Regardess, the current wording of their speed justifications is wrong.

 

[Duedate8898]

1. What? He was literally untouchable. He already scales above Kenpachi dude what are you even saying. Uryu is not relevant here.
2. Because she has feats of defending against Yhwach and keeping up enough to aid Ichigo. This is completely different I don't even know how this relevant to the scaling of 3 characters. She also has no anti feats and only scales in reaction speed.

3. It isn't known. Most don't even know the Soul King is dead amongst the Shinigami dude. All they know is Yhwach was defeated.

Who are you talking about? Because I'm talking about Uryu, who as I said managed to both shoot Yhwach and Ichigo, who are supposed to be MFTL when he does these shots, even managing to pretty much blitz Ichigo who is supposed to be much much faster than him at this point. These are feats for Uryu, equal to the amount that Orihime has. And Uryu would have much more reason to scale due to his acquisition of a newer greater power from one of the God tiers than a human, who isn't in any form or shape transcendent?

So why doesn't Uryu scale to MFTL?

Pretty much all the shinigami present should know what happened, since they were all involved in the final battle. Not just that, but it was only the wider Seireitei that didn't know that the Soul King had been killed. Pretty much everyone knew that Ichigo was the one to kill Yhwach. At least, that's what I've gotten from reading the passage you're talking about.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I do agree that it doesn't make sense to assume they're only talking about True Shikai Ichigo. And that it doesn't necessarily have to do specifically with speed.

Regardess, the current wording of their speed justifications is wrong.

So do you agree that Kenpachi and Ginjo is 5-B then? because in the novel it's directly stated Ginjo used a Getsuga equal in power to Ichigo. It doesn't say Which Ichigo but let's assume they're talking about Bankai Ichigo with the horn of salvation.

"Ginjo released a massive 'Getsuga Tensho' comparable in power to Ichigo's own. But the red flash emitted by Tokinada diverted its direction. It struck a faraway rocky mountain, greatly altering the terrain. "Tch! He still had that kind of trick up his sleeve!"

 

[Duedate8898]

Ginjo was considered a candidate for Soul King, which by our current ratings, would mean he would have to be 5-B to pull it off.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

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[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Ginjo was considered a candidate for Soul King, which by our current ratings, would mean he would have to be 5-B to pull it off.

yea i am 100% sure you either dont know what you are talking about or just decided to come here an troll

 

[Sekkonds.]

Ginjo was considered a candidate for Soul King, which by our current ratings, would mean he would have to be 5-B to pull it off.

He aswell as hikone were considered a "possible" candidates for being the soul king because they were hybrid beings,but none of them were strong enough

Which is why tokinada was still training hikone,to make him the soul king

 

[Duedate8898]

Oh don't get it wrong, I don't think he is. I'm just saying by our current justifications for Bleach's 5-Bs, he would meet the criteria to be such. Since the reason that Mimihagi and the Soul King are considered 5-B is because they hold the three worlds apart. So if Ginjo could possibly be the Soul King, he would have to be able to replicate that feat. Would he not?

 

[USklaverei]

just climb Uryu so simple

 

[Damage3245]

Regarding Yamamoto's rating; Royd gets his scaling from Yamamoto so that bit should be removed. And base As Nodt is not FTL so that bit should be removed too.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

You didn't respond to my bit about Ginjo Getsuga.

 

[Damage3245]

I'll need to read that part of the novel fully.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

All the context is right there in the quote. It doesn't say which Ichigo so clearly it's Ichigo at his most powerful right?

 

[USklaverei]

Regarding Yamamoto's rating; Royd gets his scaling from Yamamoto so that bit should be removed. And base As Nodt is not FTL so that bit should be removed too.

It scales from Bazz-B

 

[Purgy]

Sigurd has a point, you can't just assume they're referring to Ichigo at his strongest when it suits your argument but then disregard it when it talks about things like Ginjo matching Ichigo etc.

5-B Ginjo when?

 

[Damage3245]

@Purgy; well I haven't said anything about Ginjo yet. There's still much of the novels that I haven't read yet so I can't give a fully informed opinion.

I also think that I need to read all of the parts of the novel involving Hikone before discussing the MFTL scaling further.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

and besides that like said before only very few have seen his bankai and much less his getsuga tensho after he came from the SK palace he only used the cross getsuga on the femritters and later vs yhwach when orihime was present and the last time when he killed Yhwach for the first time that aizen was the one to see it i dont remember any other time he used it

 

[Purgy]

@Purgy; well I haven't said anything about Ginjo yet. There's still much of the novels that I haven't read yet so I can't give a fully informed opinion.
I also think that I need to read all of the parts of the novel involving Hikone before discussing the MFTL scaling further.

That's fair.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I don't think this thread should be stalled further for you to read 3 novels. Plenty of us have read it ourselves several times.

 

[USklaverei]

Really, we've been waiting for months because of you Damage, you had more than time to look at this.

 

[Duedate8898]

Where might I find these novels? Specifically two and three, I myself have been having use an incomplete online one and the wiki and found that the official releases aren't even out yet.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Well i will continue with the thread like i said before i am in agreement with most of the ratings exept for the whole 2 of the ancient captains and said to be 2 of the fastes in the whole sereitei


shunsui: Relativistic (Kept up with Lille) | FTL (Can accompany Tokinada)

Ukitake: Relativistic (Comparable to Shunsui)

Nemu: FTL (Able to catch a Heilig Pfeil fired from Pernida and save Mayuri), higher

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Me and Aerna had already gathered all relevant quotes months ago anyways to make their profiles and etc.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Aernasilver/Sandbox

 

[Duedate8898]

But just recently you also brought up a quote that wasn't present amongst these, this one: ""Ginjo released a massive 'Getsuga Tensho' comparable in power to Ichigo's own. But the red flash emitted by Tokinada diverted its direction. It struck a faraway rocky mountain, greatly altering the terrain. "Tch! He still had that kind of trick up his sleeve!"

I ask for the full books, because I'd like to see all the context involved myself since I very clearly have disagreements with what you've been saying and I honestly don't want to just go off quotes pulled from the bigger picture.

Edit: Fixing that tiny bit at the end.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

either hikone is a hermafrodite or has no gender at all at least so would it be "hermafrodite posibly/likely genderless?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I ask for the full books, because I'd like to see all the context involved myself since I very clearly have disagreements with what you've been saying and I honestly don't want to just go off quotes pulled from the bigger picture.

you can read them no one stopping you

 

[Duedate8898]

I just asked where could I find them, because the official English release doesn't exist yet and I've only located myself a half finished fan translation.

 

[Damage3245]

Really, we've been waiting for months because of you Damage, you had more than time to look at this.

We've been waiting for months because many of the original ratings were just wrong and it's taken a while to convince some people of that, and even now some of the justifications aren't written properly or are lacking evidence.

 

[USklaverei]

Kubo drew most things in the novel, but why didn't he do Hikone Resurrección, I'm really curious about the design of this.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Kubo drew most things in the novel, but why didn't he do Hikone Resurrección, I'm really curious about the design of this.

It would be cool if he did a colored hikone resurrection

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Dude we're not gonna wait for you to read 3 novels.

 

[Damage3245]

Dude we're not gonna wait for you to read 3 novels.

I never said that. And I'm still posting additional comments on the thread even as I'm catching up on the novel like the Yamamoto suggestion up above.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Alright.

 

[USklaverei]

Yama has already been commented.
He scaled from Bazz-B who can accompany Toshiro.

 

[Damage3245]

Please update the sandbox as changes are accepted.

 

[USklaverei]

Okay, what has changed so far?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Okay, what has changed so far?

Nothing so far

 

[Tekazemikauchi]

Okay, what has changed so far?

Pernida needs a statement for its Pre-Auswahlen speed.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Just remove that key, it did nothing of note.