Fullbring/ Dangai equalization

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Ts Ichigo was fighting SK Yhwach and wasn't getting one shotted . He could even cut throught his darkness.

you really are arguing base Askin being stronger than SK Yhwach right now ? because if you do , i'm leaving right now.

read (newly awakened)

 

[Naeblis495]

read (newly awakened)

go reread bleach.

the ts Ichigo that fought Askin is the same as the one who fought SK Yhwach . He didn't trained or fought anyone else in between.

The only difference, is that he got serious against Yhwach, instead of holding back.

i'm honestly done with you and your awfull comprehension skills. bye.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

go reread bleach.

the ts Ichigo that fought Askin is the same as the one who fought SK Yhwach . He didn't trained or fought anyone else in between.

ichigo is known to have reactive power increases hell, aizen got stronger from sitting in a ******* chair

The only difference, is that he got serious against Yhwach, instead of holding back.

i'm honestly done with you and your awfull comprehension skills. bye.

no argument? okay

 

[YukaSama4]

ichigo is known to have reactive power increases hell, aizen got stronger from sitting in a ******* chair

So u are upset because Yhwach's power increased so much after the 9 years have passed when he regained his true power but you don't mind Ichigo jumping from sternritter level to SK Yhwach level using some headcanon

 

[Excellence616]

Askin dropping Ichigo is understandable

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Now you may say something along the lines of “ but Fullbring ichigo’s reiatsu could be sensed” however, that has no relation to power.

This actually does? Cause the reiatsu strength is correlated with the sensing. Second fusion aizen being unsensable is a trait of haviang incredibly strong reiatsu, not some other thing about him

considering this and the fact that aizen could harm dangai despite being a lower level, means that lower level beings can harm transcendent ones.

While he was not even trying and unserious. He then proceeds to slap away 6 of those same attacks....

People throughout the tybw arc could sense ichigos reiatsu, who had well surpassed mugetsu by this point, which means they should be around the same level in the transcendence totem pole, no?

Casual TS Ichigo, who's not even going all out vs the Bambies...?

in conclusion : it makes no ******* sense that ts ichigo is billions of times stronger than Bankai yamamoto and Ichibe in ap.

WTF? Lmao. Yamamoto hasn't even gotten any stronger since FKT. Second fusion Aizen was already stronger than him by a significant margin, then Aizen proceeds to transcend Shninigami in a physiological level and become a Reio and beyond level being...

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

base yhwach still upscales from askin who wiped ts ichigo

That moment when a casual ichigo is casual:


Blud, are you gonna argue that the bambies scale to Ichigo now, since he had to evade their attacks while casual and certain sternritter were preventing Ichigo from reaching Yhwach?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Yhwach's total reiatsu before absorbing the soul-king doesnt change, theres no reason why the almighty alone is a several billion times multipler.

OK, this is certainly A Bleach take...

All this comes down to is the fullbring shikai powers should be > the shinigami powers he had previously, which doesn't include the amp he got from his dangai form.

Ichigo regains his shinigami powers, in general, but Old Man Zangetsu goes back to holding back his powers, and it's not mugetsu level.

Arc7Kuroi makes more sense here.

I feel like they have to make a discussion rule against Complete fullbring > Mugetsu / Dangai.

 

[KingNanaya]

Blud, are you gonna argue that the bambies scale to Ichigo now, since he had to evade their attacks while casual and certain sternritter were preventing Ichigo from reaching Yhwach?

as a Bambietta lover, yes

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

That moment when a casual ichigo is casual:


Blud, are you gonna argue that the bambies scale to Ichigo now, since he had to evade their attacks while casual and certain sternritter were preventing Ichigo from reaching Yhwach?

mommy bambietta > midgetsu

is there an explicit scan that states he's holding back? and how much that decreases his power by? even if there is, still doesnt explain why he didnt overpower askin's poison instantly and get the drop on him if he was stronger

 

[Excellence616]

1) Askin dropping TS Ichigo is understandable if you really think about it.
Askin look like a bad innocent sternritter. And am really sure when ichigo encountered him Ichigo must have taken him likely even more likely than when Ichigo fought the Bambies.
Askin is a tricky one.

I know that if Askin attack the Ichigo that was about to fight Yhwach when Yhwach made this statement ("You Can Not Call This Defenseless") When Ichigo SP energy took shape, Askin would have dies if he come in contact with him.

Ichigo was just normal till he came very close to Yhwach he started giving out SP that took shape.

2) Dangai Ichigo and Mugetsu was on same Transcendent as Aizen.

3) TS Ichigo became stronger than Dangai and Mugetsu and just because TS ichigo Reiatsu was felt doesn't change the fact that TS Ichigo is more powerful than Dangai and Mugetsu.

TYBW Aizen Reiatsu was felt but he was stronger than all his God forms in which his Reiatsu wasn't felt.

Kenpachi had same thing in TYBW in which he Reiatsu wasn't felt but was still not among the God tiers until CFYOW.

Reiatsu not been felt can happen to anyone but not until they transcend every races we can't call them transcendent.

Coucone Aizen Reiatsu wasn't felt but was still able to take damage by non transcendent beings (Kisuke, Yoruichi, Isshin)

If TS ichigo goes through Dangai training again and if TYBW Aizen evolve, thier Reiatsu wouldn't be felt.

in conclusion : it makes no ******* sense that ts ichigo is billions of times stronger than Bankai yamamoto and Ichibei in ap.

Ichigo is on Soul King's level.
Ichibei couldn't beat Almighty Yhwach

Please stop miss interpreting the entire Bleach.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

is there an explicit scan that states he's holding back? and how much that decreases his power by? even if there is, still doesnt explain why he didnt overpower askin's poison instantly and get the drop on him if he was stronger

Bro, are you kidding me? He literally proceeds to fight ******* Almighty Yhwach after this, and we explicitly see his reiatsu is so much higher than before, it's manifesting physically.

The thing is Askin doesn't actually have poison, he manipulates the lethal dosages of things. Quincy hax are shown to be specially overpowered and after Askin dropped Ichigo, he literally can't even kill him... he can't do shit to knocked out Ichigo dude. IDK where this Askin "High-balled scaling" comes from, but dude was scared of Gremmy.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

1) Askin dropping TS Ichigo is understandable if you really think about it.
Askin look like a bad innocent sternritter. And am really sure when ichigo encountered him Ichigo must have taken him likely even more likely than when Ichigo fought the Bambies.
Askin is a tricky one.

I know that if Askin attack the Ichigo that was about to fight Yhwach when Yhwach made this statement ("You Can Not Call This Defenseless") When Ichigo SP energy took shape, Askin would have dies if he come in contact with him.

Ichigo was just normal till he came very close to Yhwach he started giving out SP that took shape.

2) Dangai Ichigo and Mugetsu was on same Transcendent as Aizen.

3) TS Ichigo became stronger than Dangai and Mugetsu and just because TS ichigo Reiatsu was felt doesn't change the fact that TS Ichigo is more powerful than Dangai and Mugetsu.

TYBW Aizen Reiatsu was felt but he was stronger than all his God forms in which his Reiatsu wasn't felt.

Kenpachi had same thing in TYBW in which he Reiatsu wasn't felt but was still not among the God tiers until CFYOW.

Reiatsu not been felt can happen to anyone but not until they transcend every races we can't call them transcendent.

Coucone Aizen Reiatsu wasn't felt but was still able to take damage by non transcendent beings (Kisuke, Yoruichi, Isshin)

If TS ichigo goes through Dangai training again and if TYBW Aizen evolve, thier Reiatsu wouldn't be felt.


Ichigo is on Soul King's level.
Ichibei couldn't beat Almighty Yhwach

Please stop miss interpreting the entire Bleach.

Ichigo is only on WSK's level at the very end of the arc, way after he attained true shikai and surpassed his other forms

 

[LordTracer]

I’m in agreement with Arc here.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Kenpachi had same thing in TYBW in which he Reiatsu wasn't felt but was still not among the God tiers until CFYOW.

This is misguided. It wasn't felt when he was supressed. He made his reiatsu higher to fight Gremmy, and then the ******* fodder shinigami could sense him. Base Kenpachi isn't transcendent.

Coucone Aizen Reiatsu wasn't felt but was still able to take damage by non transcendent beings (Kisuke, Yoruichi, Isshin)

This is misguided. He didn't take damage. They cracked up his shell like an egg, but explicitly it wasn't even harming him. Blud was toying with them, and as soon as he went serious, he put them in a body bag.

Ichigo is only on WSK's level at the very end of the arc, way after he attained true shikai and surpassed his other forms

WYM WSK? Sealed soul king? Cause dangai itself is quantifiably far above the ******* WSK...

 

[Excellence616]

Ichigo is only on WSK's level at the very end of the arc, way after he attained true shikai and surpassed his other forms

Still doesn't change anything.
Even If Mugetsu and Dangai along with God Aizen was on weakened Soul King Level and in TYBW they were stronger meaning they must have reached Prime Soul King or Coming close to his level.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Even If Mugetsu and Dangai along with God Aizen was on weakened Soul King Level and in TYBW they were stronger meaning they must have reached Prime Soul King or Coming close to his level.

I won't comment on this, but obviously I disagree with the thread and it should be closed ASAP.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Bro, are you kidding me? He literally proceeds to fight ******* Almighty Yhwach after this, and we explicitly see his reiatsu is so much higher than before, it's manifesting physically.

The thing is Askin doesn't actually have poison, he manipulates the lethal dosages of things. Quincy hax are shown to be specially overpowered and after Askin dropped Ichigo, he literally can't even kill him... he can't do shit to knocked out Ichigo dude. IDK where this Askin "High-balled scaling" comes from, but dude was scared of Gremmy.

Byakuya resisted pepe's love, so reiatsu > hax still applies

i'd chalk that up to bad writing/plot armor, its made very apparent across the series that strong reiatsu grants you a ton of resistances

 

[Excellence616]

Ichigo is only on WSK's level at the very end of the arc, way after he attained true shikai and surpassed his other forms

Still doesn't change anything.
If Mugetsu and Dangai along with God Aizen was on weakened Soul King Level and in TYBW they were stronger meaning they must have reached Prime Soul King or Coming close to his level.

Base Kenpachi isn't transcendent.

No, am not saying he is transcendent am just saying it doesn't matter if the Reiatsu is felt or not.

He didn't take damage. They cracked up his shell like an egg, but explicitly it wasn't even harming him. Blud was toying with them, and as soon as he went serious, he put them in a body bag.

At least the shell should be really strong.
It has been long since I have read Bleach manga, so the memory would be foggy

This thread needs to be closed.

 

[YukaSama4]

So since 2 of the staff disagreed with the proposals, shouldn't this get closed?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Still doesn't change anything.
Even If Mugetsu and Dangai along with God Aizen was on weakened Soul King Level and in TYBW they were stronger meaning they must have reached Prime Soul King or Coming close to his level.

The difference between weakened soulking and prime soulking is massive, wsk is immobile and cannot resist

 

[Excellence616]

The difference between weakened soulking and prime soulking is massive, wsk is immobile and cannot resist

But can still maintain balance.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

But can still maintain balance.

even ginjo can do that as he's one of the soul king replacement canidates

 

[Excellence616]

even ginjo can do that as he's one of the soul king replacement canidates

Because he has ichigo powers.

 

[Excellence616]

Byakuya resisted pepe's love, so reiatsu > hax still applies

This maybe possible because of Byakuya Will

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Byakuya resisted pepe's love, so reiatsu > hax still applies

He actually did this because of the Reiokyu's garments, so get your fax right.

 

[Excellence616]

I’m in agreement with Arc here.

Can you please close this thread.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Because he has ichigo powers.

Ginjo was stated to only steal the surface of ichigos powers, and the narrative supports my point, as ******* renji think he could last a while against Aizen

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

The power ichigo gained after dangai was due to master of his zanpakuto. There is no reason ichigo should lose that mastery after regaining his reiatsu. hell, he even gets the chains he had back.

 

[Deceived3596]

Bleachhub moment

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

I just noticed but ginjo is on the ******* panel with yhwach's statement, under the bubble where he said reclaimed. if that doesnt prove anything idk what does

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

I just noticed but ginjo is on the ******* panel with yhwach's statement, under the bubble where he said reclaimed. if that doesnt prove anything idk what does

Ginjo being on the page at all strongly implies that yhwach was referring t his fullbring zanpakuto , and not true shikai ffullbring has several visual similarities to dangai

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

as ******* renji think he could last a while against Aizen

This isn’t actually true

he trained to fight Aizen, he was never successful. CFYOW Byakuya = CFYOW Tokinada whos leagues below base Aizen

Tokinada copies Kyoka Suygetsu, and it’s so much weaker when he utilizes it with his own reiryoku, that it develops extra flaws Aizen’s never had, and he would’ve been slaughtered along with the rest of his clan by Aizen, just like he killed central 46.

We have direct Kubo WOG statements saying people like Yamamoto haven’t changed strength in 2 years, and Yamamoto is a top dog for the gotei, even in CFYOW most captains are far below him (barring Kenny).
If they outgrew any version of Aizen between the arcs, and then grew massively from the soul king palace training, they would have at least some relativity to Yama, which no one that Renji scales to has.

TLDR, captains in the TYBW have literal anti feats and direct scaling below people who they would massively out scale via this.

 

[Excellence616]

Ginjo was stated to only steal the surface of ichigos powers, and the narrative supports my point, as ******* renji think he could last a while against Aizen

It's like you forgot the part where he said he had hollow powers too

as ******* renji think he could last a while against Aizen

He said he trained to fight someone powerful as Aizen but he can't. If other Captains besides Kenny haven't reached that level is it Renji that will?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

It's like you forgot the part where he said he had hollow powers too


He said he trained to fight someone powerful as Aizen but he can't. If other Captains besides Kenny haven't reached that level is it Renji that will?

alright , i admit defeat on that point, but expalin why yhwach says reclaimed the power to defeat aizen, right over the panel of ginjo, i dont think that's a coincidence at all

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

alright , i admit defeat on that point, but expalin why yhwach says reclaimed the power to defeat aizen, right over the panel of ginjo, i dont think that's a coincidence at all

He also says right after that he used that power to cut down the soul king, so it’s obvious he’s talking about how he regained his powers with Ginjo in general, and then a similar level of power he used to cut down Aizen was used to cut down the Reio

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

He also says right after that he used that power to cut down the soul king, so it’s obvious he’s talking about how he regained his powers with Ginjo in general, and then a similar level of power he used to cut down Aizen was used to cut down the Reio

But true shikai is an awakening, he cant reclaim something he never had before. And it was stated that when he received his true zanpakuto he surpassed his previous limits, so "reclaimed" isn't the right wording. And Yhwach very clearly states " the power to defeat aizen" instead of just his zanpakuto. Dangai was gained through ichigo's mastery of his "fake" zanpakuto, theres no reason for him to lose the mastery. Notice how most of ichigo's forms after dangai have a chain somewhere on his zanpakuto.

 

[Excellence616]

But true shikai is an awakening, he cant reclaim something he never had before. And it was stated that when he received his true zanpakuto he surpassed his previous limits, so "reclaimed" isn't the right wording. And Yhwach very clearly states " the power to defeat aizen" instead of just his zanpakuto. Dangai was gained through ichigo's mastery of his "fake" zanpakuto, theres no reason for him to lose the mastery. Notice how most of ichigo's forms after dangai have a chain somewhere on his zanpakuto.

His fake Zanpakuto had chain. Dangai chain is wrapped around his arm

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

His fake Zanpakuto had chain. Dangai chain is wrapped around his arm

I checked again and you're right, fullbring ichigo's chain is still noticeably larger than before, in his bankai, it even wraps around his glove similar to dangai

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

There are way too much similarities and narrative support for it to be a mere coincidence