Yhwach and Aizen sniping from Galaxies away (Redux)

[Arcker123]

This is a general thread for all Bleach god tiers, so anyone who scales to Senjumaru's 4-A feat scales to this revision.

We currently accept that even a casual Reiatsu from a god tier can affect 3 universes in their entirety. That's all fine and dandy, but we need to upgrade their ranges to match that, and thus I propose this:

Universal to Interdimensional with Reiatsu (Their Reiatsu would be able to shake the three realms of existence)

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Spoiler: Profiles to unlock

Ichigo Kurosaki (Post-Timeskip)​

Sosuke Aizen​

Yhwach

Agree: @zylieo, @Bastolan27, @Crobatman44, @EldemadeDityjon, @Arc7Kuroi, @Georredannea15, @Malekith, LordTracer, @KingTempest, @Livinmeme, @Valeska24, @AnonymousBlank, @UchihaSlayer96, @LuffyRuffy46307 (3 mods)

Neutral:

Disagree: Duedate8898 (Agrees with Yhwach though)

 

[Arcker123]

I'm dumb I put this in versus threads

 

[zylieo]

I'm dumb I put this in versus threads

Measure twice cut once but I agree with the thread brother

 

[Bastolan27]

Agree. Yhwach fodderizes FRA

 

[Arcker123]

Measure twice cut once but I agree with the thread brother

Gobbledygook

 

[Brogeefrong]

goku fra

 

[BadSystems]

Yhwach FRA

 

[Bastolan27]

goku fra

Nah Yhwach = YHWH = Jehova from WoD = Boundless

 

[Crobatman44]

Yhwach FRAtello
In all seriousness,this works so i agree.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Nah Yhwach = YHWH = Jehova from WoD = Boundless

goku > gokuversal > super high boundless+ > YhFodder

 

[Arcker123]

Vs wiki mfs are so unfunny smh

 

[zylieo]

Word

 

[Bastolan27]

Vs wiki mfs are so unfunny smh

Arcker123 = Average Human level, Intelligence = Above average​

Bastolan27 = Outerversal, Intelligence = Nigh omniscient​

 

[Arcker123]

Case in point

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agree with the upgrade

 

[Excellence616]

a god tier

More like High Top tier

Spoiler: Profiles to unlock

Ichigo Kurosaki (Post-Timeskip)​

Sosuke Aizen​

Yhwach

Will Hikone, Ginjo and co be affected as they are also God tiers?

Anyways, I agree

 

[Arcker123]

Will Hikone, Ginjo and co not be affected as they are also God tiers?

they aren't locked, as I said, anyone who scales to tier 4 and up scales to this.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah this is fine

 

[Georredannea15]

Agree FRA

 

[Malekith]

agree

 

[Excellence616]

they aren't locked, as I said, anyone who scales to tier 4 and up scales to this.

Anyways, I agree

 

[LordTracer]

I agree that their range should be upgraded, but I’m not sure why it’d be Universal to Interdimensional as opposed to just Interdimensional.

also wouldn’t Low Multiversal be more fitting then Interdimensional here, since the realms are separate universes

 

[Arcker123]

I agree that their range should be upgraded, but I’m not sure why it’d be Universal to Interdimensional as opposed to just Interdimensional.

Because Universal shows how much of an area they can affect on a straight 3D plane, whereas Interdimensional is unrelated to that and describes if you can affect different spatially isolated places, which isn't the same as on the same plane.

A character can have less than Uni range whilst having interdimensional range.

also wouldn’t Low Multiversal be more fitting then Interdimensional here, since the realms are separate universes

Uhhhhh. Probably, but we don't accept 2-C Bleach so i'll stick with the low ball of Uni to Interdimesnional

 

[Bastolan27]

Because Universal shows how much of an area they can affect on a straight 3D plane, whereas Interdimensional is unrelated to that and describes if you can affect different spatially isolated places, which isn't the same as on the same plane.

A character can have less than Uni range whilst having interdimensional range.

Uhhhhh. Probably, but we don't accept 2-C Bleach so i'll stick with the low ball of Uni to Interdimesnional

Do we have to wait until Cour 3 and 4 to make a 2-C Bleach CRT?
By the way, I'm not talking about a badly written and vague CRT

The Bleach Cosmology page doesn't clarify how many space-times Bleach is accepted to have on the wiki. Could you tell me how many the wiki accepts?

 

[Arcker123]

Do we have to wait until Cour 3 and 4 to make a 2-C Bleach CRT?

Yes. The anime hasn't even gotten to the cosmology exposition parts of the manga yet.

 

[Crobatman44]

Do we have to wait until Cour 3 and 4 to make a 2-C Bleach CRT?
By the way, I'm not talking about a badly written and vague CRT

The Bleach Cosmology page doesn't clarify how many space-times Bleach is accepted to have on the wiki. Could you tell me how many the wiki accepts?

Yes,Specially cause Cour 3 and 4 could help solify it,and really an extra 2/3 years ain't that bad of a wait in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Cour 3 is gonna be out in a few months, relax people, its not like yall are gonna wait 3 years

 

[Bastolan27]

Cour 3 is gonna be out in a few months, relax people, its not like yall are gonna wait 3 years

I need to laugh in the faces of all the people who say Bleach is mountain level.

 

[LordTracer]

Because Universal shows how much of an area they can affect on a straight 3D plane, whereas Interdimensional is unrelated to that and describes if you can affect different spatially isolated places, which isn't the same as on the same plane.

A character can have less than Uni range whilst having interdimensional range.

Mm, aight. Revision is fine then.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I need to laugh in the faces of all the people who say Bleach is mountain level.

Bleach is tier 4/3 on vsbw who are these mountain level strawmen on vsbw? We can keep talking in general I forgot this is a crt

 

[Valeska24]

I agree

 

[Livinmeme]

Yeah, I agree

 

[KingTempest]

This is fine

 

[Duedate8898]

Yhwach is fine, we actually see him affecting the realms. But without Aizen or Ichigo having feats of that range, simply being god tier isn't enough reason to get this same range. Especially when we're shown them going full power and not having this same effect.

 

[Bastolan27]

Yhwach is fine, we actually see him affecting the realms. But without Aizen or Ichigo having feats of that range, simply being god tier isn't enough reason to get this same range. Especially when we're shown them going full power and not having this same effect.

It's in the original CRT: Aizen was going to shoot down the Royal Palace from the Soul Society just by releasing his reiatsu upwards.

 

[Duedate8898]

Yeah, that's why he has inter-dimensional and interplanetary range at the moment, he was not stated or shown to affect all three realms last I checked which is what the OP is arguing.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yhwach is fine, we actually see him affecting the realms. But without Aizen or Ichigo having feats of that range, simply being god tier isn't enough reason to get this same range. Especially when we're shown them going full power and not having this same effect.

With the hell one shot we actually have a direct statement that Aizen’s reiatsu is comparable to scope with Yhwach. And in the novels we get the same kind of statements for Ichigo compared to Reio. So you’re incorrect here.

 

[Arcker123]

Nobody is saying they are Uni range for scaling to Yhwach.

Shutara has a uni range feat and there are characters whose Reiatsu scale above her should be able to do similar feats because their Reiatsu is similarly powerful than an extremely casual Shutara. That's the argument and that was never addressed.

There's also several more lore cases that Arc brings up about the god tiers having more statements of being able to affect all the realms.

Yhwach is fine, we actually see him affecting the realms. But without Aizen or Ichigo having feats of that range, simply being god tier isn't enough reason to get this same range. Especially when we're shown them going full power and not having this same effect.

This is completely unreasonable. You're using manga feats to compare to a feat that doesn't exist in the manga.

 

[Duedate8898]

With the hell one shot we actually have a direct statement that Aizen’s reiatsu is comparable to scope with Yhwach. And in the novels we get the same kind of statements for Ichigo compared to Reio. So you’re incorrect here.

I would like those scans brought in the OP in that case, but in regards to Aizen's reiatsu, the statement given is that Aizen and Yhwach's reiatsu kept a cap on hell, not that Aizen was spreading his reiatsu throughout all three realms. Him capping hell, isn't really a quantifiable range feat at the moment since we know not from what distance Aizen was maintaining this cap nor when his reiatsu was no longer keeping it up. There's not enough substantial detail there to say his range is actually to the same extent to Yhwach's when he's affecting all three realms.

And in regards to Ichigo being compared to Reio without further context, I can't really take that as evidence that Ichigo's powers are being felt across all three realms. Could you get the scan that points this out?

Nobody is saying they are Uni range for scaling to Yhwach.

Shutara has a uni range feat and there are characters whose Reiatsu scale above her should be able to do similar feats because their Reiatsu is similarly powerful than an extremely casual Shutara. That's the argument and that was never addressed.

There's also several more lore cases that Arc brings up about the god tiers having more statements of being able to affect all the realms.

This is completely unreasonable. You're using manga feats to compare to a feat that doesn't exist in the manga.

In that case, until we get a feat from the likes of Ichigo and Aizen which has them affecting all three realms at once, they shouldn't qualify since they lack these same circumstances that causes for Shutara to have the feat she does. Because at this moment in the anime, we don't even know how Ichigo and Aizen compare to her or Squad Zero as a whole yet. And at this moment we're still using the manga stuff on the profiles at this moment so I don't see it as unreasonable to not approve this until we get corrobating feats from the characters or the scans for what Arc's describing actually proves this range to be true. As it stands, simply being strong as or stronger than Squad Zero isn't good enough evidence to say their range is comparable.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I would like those scans brought in the OP in that case, but in regards to Aizen's reiatsu, the statement given is that Aizen and Yhwach's reiatsu kept a cap on hell, not that Aizen was spreading his reiatsu throughout all three realms. Him capping hell, isn't really a quantifiable range feat at the moment since we know not from what distance Aizen was maintaining this cap nor when his reiatsu was no longer keeping it up. There's not enough substantial detail there to say his range is actually to the same extent to Yhwach's when he's affecting all three realms.

And in regards to Ichigo being compared to Reio without further context, I can't really take that as evidence that Ichigo's powers are being felt across all three realms. Could you get the scan that points this out?

I can find scans later. But just to clarify you know the reason Shutara’s range is that large is strictly due to her power right? Like the anime makes it abundantly clear that it’s a product of how vastly strong her reiatsu is that enables it to reach across the universe. So logic, presented in the OP, is that provably stronger characters would have comparable range inherently.