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Fullbring/ Dangai equalization

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Ooh boy this is gonna be a controversial one.

First of all, ginjo says whatever is left of his dangai power is gathering inside ichigo. This implies that his power gained never left, but is just slowly gathering. Ginjo could’ve also asked tsukishima about the level of Dangai’s power through viewing one of the pasts of Ichigo’s allies, which he had done.

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People often use this statement to say Ts= Dangai, however this could just as easily be applied to when ichigo regained his powers, which is supported by Ginjos statement about the remnants of mugetsu’s reiatsu gathering inside ichigo.
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When Yhwach talks about reclaiming the power to defeat Aizen, Ginjo is in the background, which strongly implies he regained that power somewhere in that arc. It’d make no sense for Yhwach to be talking about True Shikai, as ichigo’s post dangai form was achieved through mastery of his fake zanpakuto, and the fact that true Shikai ichigo surpassed his previous limits. It’d make no sense for him to lose that mastery after regaining his reiatsu. (Plus, gaining a completely new power is different from reclaiming an old one, no?)
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Ichigo’s zanpakuto in Fullbring Bankai is even attached to his arm like in Dangai. ( And is sort of attached to the rest of his body due to the markings of his fullbring.)
Fullbring ichigo by default has his hollow reiatsu fused with him, as his fullbring reiatsu fuses with his zanpakuto and changes his body, clothes and other shit. This is why he never uses the mask until he uses horn of salvation. Fullbring ichigo even uses sonido in tybw.
This makes him harmonized with his hollow + sr side, just like in Dangai.
Due to this and Ginjo’s statement of the remnants of Dangai’s power being slow recovered, it’s safe to say that Fullbring Bankai = Dangai
in conclusion : it makes no ******* sense that ts ichigo is billions of times stronger than Bankai yamamoto and Ichibe in ap.
 
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I'm sorry but could u explain more what're you proposing?



Are you saying that FB Ichigo is stronger than Dangai Ichigo and using that to argue that Yamamoto and Ichibe are at TS Ichigo's level or what exactly?
 
Also both Bankai Yamamoto and Ichibe are getting some upgrades soon based on what's been accepted in SAFWY revision, they will still be weaker than TS Ichigo obviously though
 
TS Ichigo was able to damage and cut SK yhwach darkness which Yama or Ichibē can't even dream about doing so.
Also both Bankai Yamamoto and Ichibe are getting some upgrades soon based on what's been accepted in SAFWY revision, they will still be weaker than TS Ichigo obviously though
Yhwach's total reiatsu before absorbing the soul-king doesnt change, theres no reason why the almighty alone is a several billion times multipler.
 
He mainly gets slapped around because of ichibe's hax, theres no reason to believe that its a billion times multipler instead of the standard 5-10x assumed for the verse
A) it’s not a multiplier, not all increases in power are multipliers
B) Ichibe deadass overpowers in him physically as well, Ichibe does not beat him with just hax, he beats him in every aspect
C) Your incredulity is not an argument
 
Yhwach just regained his true power once the "9 Years of Strengh" passed while mid battle with Ichibe. This has nothing to do with the almighty.
 
Yhwach just regained his true power once the "9 Years of Strengh" passed while mid battle with Ichibe. This has nothing to do with the almighty.
The Almighty is directly tied to the regaining strength from 9 years, so yes the Almighty does have stuff to do with this.
 
Aizen’s fourth fusion is stated to be WSK level and surpasses all Shinigami, which would include Bankai Yamamoto. Almighty Yhwach surpasses WSK, but base Yhwach is at or below Bankai Yama level.
Fullbring ichigo is also stated to surpass shinigami, shown by the op
Almighty Yhwach > WSK = Butterflyzen >>>>> Bankai Yama >= base Yhwach
Bankai Yama got slapped around once the real Yhwach showed up. A much stronger Aizen's reiatsu could be sensed, which the logical conclusion being that they are capable of dealing damage to him
 
Fullbring ichigo is also stated to surpass shinigami, shown by the op
No he isn’t, you’re misinterpreting that scan. They aren’t saying Fullbring > Dangai at all.

Bankai Yama got slapped around once the real Yhwach showed up. A much stronger Aizen's reiatsu could be sensed, which the logical conclusion being that they are capable of dealing damage to him
No Bankai Yama didn’t lmao, he got his Bankai stolen so he couldn’t use it
 
No he isn’t, you’re misinterpreting that scan. They aren’t saying Fullbring > Dangai at all.
Ginjo's statement implies the gains made by dangai were never lost at all, but is slowly gathering back inside ichigo's body, as there's a remnant of it inside of him.
No Bankai Yama didn’t lmao, he got his Bankai stolen so he couldn’t use it
I thought that was at the very end of the fight
 
Ginjo's statement implies the gains made by dangai were never lost at all, but is slowly gathering back inside ichigo's body, as there's a remnant of it inside of him.
No Ginjo is just vaguely referring to his Shinigami powers not Dangai. Literally no reason to wank Fullbring Ichigo above Dangai outside of agenda pushing.

I thought that was at the very end of the fight
No the moment real Yhwach showed up he stole Yama’s Bankai.
 
Ginjo's statement implies the gains made by dangai were never lost at all,
But what I'm seeing is Ginjo saying that Ichigo's gains were lost but there were few amounts that were left so it took its time gathering inside Ichigo, not that his dangai powers gathered once again inside him
 
No Ginjo is just vaguely referring to his Shinigami powers not Dangai. Literally no reason to wank Fullbring Ichigo above Dangai outside of agenda pushing.
he says "spiritual pressure", which includes both his shinigami and hollow powers. A distinction is made between the two in the fb arc
No the moment real Yhwach showed up he stole Yama’s Bankai.
base yhwach still upscales from askin who wiped ts ichigo
 
"After your SP vanished, whatever was left of it gather inside you". This imply an incredibly small ammount.And it's an extremely vague ammount anyway. No way you can argue completed fullbring/fullbring shikai being remotely close to dangai with this statement.

Yhwach immediatly stole yama's bankai. All this prove is that base Yhwach is strong to handle bankai yama's power making them somewhat relative. Nothing else. Yhwach stomped a base and exhausted yama , who pretty much already gave up at that point.

Askin wiped a casual ts ichigo with his hax, not stats.
 
"After your SP vanished, whatever was left of it gather inside you". This imply an incredibly small ammount.And it's an extremely vague ammount anyway. No way you can argue completed fullbring/fullbring shikai being remotely close to dangai with this statement.
Gathering most likely means restoring to 100%
Askin wiped a casual ts ichigo with his hax, not stats.
reiatsu > hax in bleach so this definitely scales in someway
 
Gathering most likely means restoring to 100%


reiatsu > hax in bleach so this definitely scales in someway
"After your SP vanished ,whetever was left of it gathered inside you." Only the tiny tiny portion that didn't completely vanished gathered inside him. Read .

Casual ts Ichigo do not scale to his serious self, that fought Yhwach, when he let loose and made his SP take physical form.
 
I found an infinitely better argument , so im using this.

Askin beat true shikai ichigo

base yhwach naturally scales above all the sternritter

ichigo in the anime clashes with yhwach with his fullbring bankai

simple logic
 
So base Yhwach>Askin>ts ichigo>base Yhwach>fullbring bankai ? marvelous scaling chain right there.
not that simple lmao

Base Yhwach > Askin > ts ichigo (newly awakened) > fullbring bankai

Not immediately getting one shotted means you're somewhat relative to them, correct?
 
Ts Ichigo was fighting SK Yhwach and wasn't getting one shotted . He could even cut throught his darkness.

you really are arguing base Askin being stronger than SK Yhwach right now ,while also arguing base Yhwach >ritters ? because if you do , i'm leaving right now.
 
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