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michael demiurgos

  1. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo (Part 2 of 2)

    Hi, this thread is meant to be a continuation of part one which went on for a while. Due to it being derailed and over redundantly long, I decided to split the remaining portion here with whatever is left to evaluate. Here is part one for reference...
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    • death of the endless destiny of the endless dream of the endless father time lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos mother night (vertigo) the basanos the presence
    • Replies: 186
    • Forum: Content Revision
  2. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo(Part 1 of 2)

    Hi, since the the tiering system has been changed not too long ago. I decided to overlook the DC Cosmology blog page and wanted to revise the tiering and explanation on the blog. @Elizio33 is handling the Crisis Cosmology section of the blog. So I decided to handle J.M. DeMatteis and Vertigo...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dc comics dream of the endless elaine belloc endless father time (vertigo) lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos mother night (vertigo) pralaya (dc comics) the presence
    • Replies: 428
    • Forum: Content Revision
  3. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Vertigo(Neil Gaiman and Mike Carey) Revision

    Hello. In today's revision, I will be specifically going over the Vertigo verse(Pre-Black Label). This will tie in any Sandman features such as Endless Night, Orpheus, Overture, etc… The main premise is to establish what the Vertigo verse offers within the writings and statements of the main...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dc comics death of the endless destiny of the endless dream of the endless elaine belloc lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 82
    • Forum: Content Revision
  4. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Revision

    Hi, guys in today's thread I think it came up with a genius idea that may surprise you. To clarify this will primarily only focus on J.M. DeMattheis and Carey/Gaiman lore in their work on the Cosmology. Grant/Synder's work that I have read multiple times over the years seems fine where it is...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dc comics god lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos overvoid pralaya (dc comics) source the presence
    • Replies: 47
    • Forum: Content Revision
  5. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Elaine, Michael, Lucifer, and the Presence Possible 1-C upgrade.

    I agree with most of what the revision brought and I will go over some of the topics, I think needs to be worked on. Lucifer is a fan favorite so I will be going over him and his family first. Now I do agree that Lucifer and the Presence are nowhere near 1-A but I feel Low 1-C is also a tad bit...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dream of the endless elaine belloc lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 335
    • Forum: Content Revision
  6. VeryGoofyToddler2

    The Presence(Yahweh) Ability Addition.

    In today’s thread, I will be going over some needed power addition for Yahweh. I will also provide the reasoning and context behind each feat. Absorption(Power) - It is mentioned several times that Yahweh is the creator of both Michael and Lucifer, he was the one to give them their power. As...
  7. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Possible addition of the ability “Creation” to Michael Demiurgos

    So after reading some character's profiles because of the fact the revision is soon to take place. I couldn't help but notice some things that seemed quite off. It has to do with the ability of “Creation.” https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creation The short synopsis that was provided to be...
  8. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Remove “True Extent” from the Endless.

    So when reading over the content revision of the DC Cosmology for the most part I agree. I couldn't help but notice that the Endless has separate keys for what appears to be their “True Extent.” Which left me a bit perplexed given the idea of the Endless was always one and the same. So the...
  9. Transcending

    Lucifer, Dream, and Michael downgrade

    Lucifer Morningstar is popularly known as one of DC's top tier beings, with many even saying he's the second most powerful in the entire verse. However, as much as I love the character, I feel like he's been incredibly overhyped by people. The wiki is no exception. So in this thread I will go...
    • Transcending
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    • dream of the endless lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos
    • Replies: 346
    • Forum: Content Revision
  10. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC Comics - Lucifer Morningstar Upgrade

    Hello in today’s content revision I think we should look over Lucifer Morningstar and why he deserves High 1-A. Here is one on Yahweh and why he deserves it. Yahweh This is the basis of how DC Vertigo is structured, remember Vertigo is written differently from the rest of DC. Vertigo down to...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dc comics dc cosmology dc/vertigo comics endless lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 44
    • Forum: Content Revision
  11. VeryGoofyToddler2

    The Presence(Yahweh) Upgrade

    Specifically; Yahweh, Lucifer, and Michael. I will go over Lucifer as Michael another time. The Presence/Yahweh Lucifer Morningstar Michael Demiurgos Yahweh: To start it off let’s talk about Yahweh. To first start, Yahweh is Infinite and Eternal. Infinite and Eternal (Lucifer Vol.1 #75)...
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    • dc comics dc cosmology dream of the endless endless lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 42
    • Forum: Content Revision

  12. Lucifer Morningstar vs Michael Demiurgos

    2 brothers and sons of God fight against each other. Both at their strongest. Lucifer: 5 (Teezar), (Confluctor), (San-Kakarot), (Popted2), (Peppersalt43) Michael: 0 Inconclusive: 1 (Westcoast5005),
  13. Botsdalino

    Lucifer and Michael (Vertigo) VS the whole nasuverse

    All is at their full power Battle takes place in some endless space Lose by death or erasure
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    • dc comics lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos nasuverse
    • Replies: 5
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  14. TheEndlessDesire

    Lucifer Morningstar VS Michael Demiurgos

    Both are pretty much equal and opposites. Equalize bloodlust, both are 1-A.
  15. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Michael Demiurgos Vs Lucifer Morningstar

    Infinite Raw Power vs Infinite Will
  16. DarkHunter89

    Michael weakness

    Michael has shown a weakness in the Lucifer comic run. He was struck from behind by a lance from Sandalphon. Means that angelic weapons should also be able to harm Lucifer as he's supposed to be on the same level as Michael. But even then, it should be included on the weakness section...
  17. EightAte8

    Dream of the Eldritch Abominations versus Michael Demiurgos

  18. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Lucifer Morningstar and Beyonder Explanation

    Well fanboys drop the cap and ill give my most honest and unbiased answer. Answer: Lucifer Morningstar Explanation : Well here my explanation its quite simple Morningstar is just more powerful. Lucifer to begin with is a archangel and by that it means he predates creation, was responsible for...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • beyonder (pre-retcon) lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos molecule man
    • Replies: 2
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  19. DamnINeedABreak

    Micheal Demiurgos/Lucifer Morningstar vs Beyonder/Molecule Man

    The Brothers Vs The Friends Whos Win I think Mike and Luci What Do You Think
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    • beyonder (pre-retcon) lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos molecule man
    • Replies: 13
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  20. Mercury_$erpent

    Some new additions for Spectre

    Spectre amped by Source Let's start with this version. Spectre got all Source'es power, which has 1-A tier. Spectre has become all creation, including Bleed, which has innumerable spatial dimensions . So, this version should has At least 1-B, likely 1-A tier About abilities: Omnipresence...
  21. AB1124

    Pennywise VS Michael Demiurgos

    IT's avatar, Pennywise, is continuing along its path to wreck havoc in Derry, Maine. While Pennywise has been banished back to the Macroverse via the Ritual of Chud, he has ultimately awakened and has returned from his 27 year slumber to return once again. Archangel Michael Demiurgos has taken...
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    • dc comics michael demiurgos pennywise (canon) the dark tower
    • Replies: 3
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  22. ABoogieYesSir

    Quick Michael Demiurgos Addition

    I think Michael should have the Power/Abilities: Creation His Regenerationn creates a new creation: https://m.imgur.com/a/JsZY4
  23. JackJoyce

    Michael Demiurgos vs Molecule Man

    Michael Demiurgos Molecule Ma This is post Secret Wars Molecule Man.
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    • dc comics marvel comics michael demiurgos molecule man
    • Replies: 115
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  24. ABoogieYesSir

    Michael Demiurgos Revision Additional

    I think Michael's speed should be Omnipresent because: Became one with all of existence, and embodies every single atom.
  25. MrLuk2000

    I'm back and a new photo render for Michael

    Hey guys, I'm back. Most of you won't know me, but it's fine, I'm pretty new here. Anyway I suffered several anxiety attacks a few weeks ago and several massive headaches. So over the course of 3 weeks I've been in rehab and getting several physical therapy and I feel much better. Anyway, I...
  26. BleedingPeach

    Lucifer and Michael category error

    I saw in their category list that they have Invulnerability and the thing is that they don't have such power since they could be harmed by Fenris and Lucifer was harmed by Amenadiel in their fight in hell. Could they be removed from that category?
  27. DbzDB2

    How far into 1-A is Michael Demiurgos?

    Is he baseline 1-A or really far in?
  28. Nether_nine

    Presence scaling to Lovecraftian Horrors in Overture?

    Is the Presence, Lucifer or Michael more powerful than the 1-A Lovecraftian Horrors that the Eldritch Dream mentioned in Sandman Overture? Or it wouldn't apply?
  29. Dovakin193208

    one question.

    Where did Michael, Lucifer and Gabriel 1-A?
  30. GalaxianAegis

    DC Archangel True-Godly Downgrade

    In re-reading a lot of the Lucifer (2000) run to try and revise some of the profiles here on the wiki, I noticed also in the recent conversation about 1-A beings and their True-Godly Regenerationn that there are some issues I have with Lucifer's profile. Firstly, Lucifer is attributed with...
  31. Jockey-1337

    Is Lucifer retconned?

    https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-thing-that-can-beat-god-from-star-maker.619897/page-5#post-45656689 https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-thing-that-can-beat-god-from-star-maker.619897/page-5#post-45656866 What do you think?
  32. LordWhis

    Why were Michael & Lucifer downgraded to 1-A ?

    Also, why do the presence & overmonitor have different profiles if they are the same person ?
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    • dc comics lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 6
    • Forum: Content Revision
  33. Alonis3612

    I Heard That Michael Demiurgos Can Destroy All Creation 10 Times Over

    Is that true? Does somebody have a scan?
  34. Palaeocene.epoch1

    DC Demiurgic Archangels vs Downstreamers

    so, after doing on SB debate on SB regarding downstreamers, I kinda want to test them (again...) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Demiurgos (1-A) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar (1-A) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gabriel_Hornblower (1-A w Sword of Azazel)...
    • Palaeocene.epoch1
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    • gabriel hornblower lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the downstreamers
    • Replies: 16
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  35. Question about michael and lucifer

    how are michael and lucifer 1-A if they have such HUGE restrictions. for example, lucifer cant create matter out of nothing? what?? how can a 1-A character not doing something that even 3D characters can do? and michael cant shape matter without lucifer or something? otherwise he can only create...
  36. AndrewBennet

    Strongest 1-A in DC

    Who is the strongest 1A being in DC excluding Yahweh and Elaine ?
  37. EgyptianGodRaw

    Lucifer and Michael vs Mother Night and Father time

    Who wins the fight ?
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    • father time (vertigo) lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos mother night (vertigo)
    • Replies: 2
    • Forum: Versus Threads

  38. Reinhard and Mercurius vs Lucifer and Michael (1-A Team match)

    We gotta break up something here. Not to be added here anyways but here goes. Two Hadou Gods vs Two Angels of Infinite Godly power.
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    • lucifer morningstar (dc comics) mercurius michael demiurgos reinhard heydrich
    • Replies: 17
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  39. Nkonjo

    Reinhard Heydrich Vs Michael Demiurgos

    soo yea both 1-A hope its a good match up
  40. Matthew_Schroeder

    1-A / High 1-B Feat for DC God Tiers?

    So... This just happened: I was looking through Respect Threads for DC Comics characters, when I suddenly come across this scene, from Lucifer #75: To quote the comic: "It is a matter of perspective. There is no time here, and no space. So all things are layered on themselves endlessly, and...
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