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Michael Demiurgos vs Molecule Man
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How far into 1-A is Beyonder? Michael is fairly above baseline, since he is considered equal to Lucifer who is superior to Mother Night who is superior to Dream, a baseline 1-A. By the way, does Michael not have Transduality? Lucifer has it so how come Michael doesn't?
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I think you are correct. Most of the Marvel 1-A's are baseline and the few that aren't are only slightly above.
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he deserves to scale to him imo.
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Even with a small fraction of his power, Beyonder is still more powerful than the entire cosmic assembly which includes the Living tribunal and Eternity https://m.imgur.com/mZnFG5UDbzDB2 said:
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The anti retrospective scaling can be applied to Michael as well. Also I don't think there is any evidence to corroborate that DC's 1-As are superior to Marvel's 1-A. I would give it to Beyonder due to his immense superiority over the cosmic hierarchy.
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michaele via better scaling and brains pre-recton is a bit of a child, his immature, naive and just plainly a moron while michaele is close to lucifer when it comes to Intelligence
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Muh infinity.
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muh infiniTIESBlackcurrant91 said:
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Nah mine is bigger then yours. Trust me.
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well if one can outsmart the other it doseJackJoyce said:
look up lucifer vs protage that fight went to lucifer just for the fact that he is far smarter then protage
also dr doom outsmarted and took beyonders powers(thats how it can work in a 1A fight)
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Literally nothing matters in a 1-A fight besides how high in 1-A you are
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not reallyPaul Frank said:
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for example who would win a 1-A who is 2 times baseline or a baseline 1A with true godly regen?Paul Frank said:
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The 2 times baseline one
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This is where the 'Muh Infinity' meme comes from
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yeah tell that to deadric princess in Elder scrolls who can regenarate after beign erased by a chim user(over 5 times baseline) while being low 1CPaul Frank said:
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True Godly can be bypassed with high enough AP. See Hajun vs Hadou Gods.
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i know but that wasn't really my pointLordUrien935 said:
my point was that hax do still matter in 1A fight and that those fights are not desided by ap alone unless we go into insane levels of ap like hajun(mister infinety above baseline) or anu or of god tier cathulu mythos guys like avatars of yug
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im preaty sure if the ap range is not too insanly big(over 10 times) the lower 1-A still can cuse some harmJackJoyce said:
the whole fight with lucifer and The Basanos comes to mind when talking about this
in their fight bason is clearly weaker then lue cifer since it preaty much gets destroyed by lucifer but due to its better hax and true godly it managed to pull of a win, also outsmarted him as well which also played into the end of the fight
ofcourse if a charater is way above baseline(dozens and above) while the other simply isn't above baseline no amount of hax or regen would be able to give it the win
Also we are getting of topic this is michael vs pre recton beyonder
which michael handely wins due to being a more expirensed being when it come to fighting beings on the same level as him and simply being way above baseline 1A while beyonder is most likly baseline soo it makes this fight preaty moot
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Can he beat Pre-retcon Beyonder if scaled to The Living Tribunal though. Since it's still quite the controversial topic for the people in the wiki.
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if he is scaled to the 1A living tribunal then no michael stands no chance since you know the whole "millions of times more powerful then all of the marvel multiverse combined" line exists which means he would be millions of times above base line while michael is notNot Icarus said:
and it'd be a stomp in beyonders favor
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I wonder if Lucifer can beat him at that state with his intelligence though.
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no amount of intelligence can bypass such a massive ap differenceNot Icarus said:
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Protoge, The Living Tribunal, Oblivion, and etc are a small to a nice chunk at best above baseline.
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