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The context of this is SCP-4555, one of the justifications for tier Low-1C that you've accepted and are fine with since the "Omega" at the end of the article could refer to the First uncountable ordinal (Omega sub-one ). However this is wrong and the author has confirmed it is "much smaller", aka Church-Kleene ordinal
It wouldn't necessarily say anything about the extent of Large Countable Ordinals in the context of SCP, no. Largely because ordinal numbers themselves are strictly used to specify the order in which the members of a sequence are arranged, and the cardinality of the elements themselves obviously isn't taken into account when it comes to that, nor is an element denoted by a further ordinal necessarily larger than the ones before it. They're a measure of "how far something is," as opposed to how big it is, in simple terms.however there is some interesting thing here that it not only contains all ordinal numbers (Computable ordinal) smaller than it (they are not degrees of existence, just countably infinite sets of universes/infinite-sized multiverses/... which are absurdly and insanely HUGE, like Epsilon, Veblen Function, Psi,..) but also trivialize THEM as Fiction/dream in the same way Maha-Vinshu trivialized the Universe/Maya as a dream in Hinduism. A property that countably infinite sets (irl) cannot (However, in SCP they also possess all the properties of irl, the author even cites wiki to explain this) and according to the Tierning system and FAQ it is equivalent to the distance between Dimensions and so At Least Low-1C
At least that's my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong
And the question here is does this make the Church-Kleen ordinal set of 2A multiverses in SCP Low-1C? If it's Low-1C then what about larger countably infinite ordinals? The author also claims that the Church-Kleen ordinal is much smaller than First Uncountable ordinal/Omega-Sub One
Not very, since, in spite of existing above a number of undimensioned realms themselves, the other Archetypes' dissociation throughout reality seems to largely extend to the beings residing in dimensioned space. The exception to this, as far as I can ascertain, is the Supreme Archetype, which actually had angles extending as far as the Ultimate Void itself (Seeing as how the the state Carter attained past the Ultimate Gate was still considered just a facet of it.) In fact, given the emphasis placed on his connection to the Gates, their Guardians and the Key that unlocks them, it seems like all regions belonging to the "Outside" are exclusively facets of him.Hey, sorry to bother you, but I have a quick Cthulhu Mythos question: how important is the aspect of infinite disassociation of archetypes into beings/forms in the lower planes of existence to the tier calculations of the Ultimate Gods/Archetypes/Supreme Archetype?
Ok, I definitely won't make a thread then. However, I don't think the extensions and disassociation of Carter is exclusive to him. I would still argue that the passage I quote shows that the Outer Extension still has properties associated with the Ultimate Mystery as of now. Unless I'm missing something, I think that the tiering should be bumped up for anything in and beyond the First Gate. Open to being wrong, of course.Not very, since, in spite of existing above a number of undimensioned realms themselves, the other Archetypes' dissociation throughout reality seems to largely extend to the beings residing in dimensioned space. The exception to this, as far as I can ascertain, is the Supreme Archetype, which actually had angles extending as far as the Ultimate Void itself (Seeing as how the the state Carter attained past the Ultimate Gate was still considered just a facet of it.) In fact, given the emphasis placed on his connection to the Gates, their Guardians and the Key that unlocks them, it seems like all regions belonging to the "Outside" are exclusively facets of him.
And I agree that the current state of the profiles is not very serviceable, yes, mostly in relation to the Archetypes' placement. I'm currently planning to tackle that in a CRT on its own, soon enough. (Part 1.5 of the current revisions to the verse, if you will)
but that was because these spaces were full-blown universes, and so they couldn't possibly be interpreted as having finite mass, or as being devoid of it
Not necessarily, no, since, again, those 5 dimensions in which they exist could be fully spatial, too, and thus be bound by a a single time dimension, just like lower-dimensional beings, thus making them subject to S = D/T. It's a different story if they explicitly exist directly in the time axis and can move through it at will, but this would need a direct statement, and wouldn't be the default assumption.So if a character’s existence is 5D, and the temporal dimension of the verse is explicitly 5D as well, is that Immeasurable? I mean, since this example character has 5 dimensions in its physiology, it would automatically be assumed it can move along 5 dimensional axes right?
Hard to say here, since Low 1-A is specifically supposed to be a space of dimension 2^aleph-0, which we just so happen to equate to aleph-1 by assuming the Continuum Hypothesis to be true, for simplicity's sake. If we just don't know if aleph-2 is equal to or larger than the cardinality of the continuum under the system which the verse presents, it's pretty complicated to tier. Closest thing I can think of would be an absurdly high level of 2-A, since Low 1-C is likewise supposed to be reached by a set of universes with cardinality 2^aleph-0, too.Destroy Aleph 2 universes as Low-1A or Low-1C (6D). Note that context and verse are the Set of real numbers and any other set whose cardinal is 2^Aleph 0 is greater than aleph 1 (unknown)
Not necessarily, no, since, in this case, we'd just scale that above the size of the largest construct shown to be contained in the lower plane in question. So, a realm that stands immediately above it would just be Low 2-C with optimal assumptions.If a verse has Higher realms/planes of existence and in the lowest plane of existence already contains both 3D universes and 2D pocket universes is a cross section of 3D. So is the difference between lower and higher planes of existence greater than the difference between dimensions?
Not necessarily, no, unless there's more context to that difference: If, say, the difference between a higher layer and a lower one is explicitly greater than the difference between higher and lower-dimensional spaces, then it can be higher, yeah.As for the Composite hierarchy and the distinction between fiction and reality, if the entities in the Higher layer consider the stories or realities of the Lower layer to be nothing more than just fiction and tiny dimensions, even consider the difference between the sizes of each of them to be non-existent, so any story from finite size and setting of an ordinary person's life to the entire infinite set of multiverses (each is 2A) is the same, differ only in complexity.
The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises.
The context of this is SCP-4555, one of the justifications for tier Low-1C that you've accepted and are fine with since the "Omega" at the end of the article could refer to the First uncountable ordinal (Omega sub-one ). However this is wrong and the author has confirmed it is "much smaller", aka Church-Kleene ordinal, however there is some interesting thing here that it not only contains all ordinal numbers (Computable ordinal) smaller than it (they are not degrees of existence, just countably infinite sets of universes/infinite-sized multiverses/... which are absurdly and insanely HUGE, like Epsilon, Veblen Function, Psi,..) but also trivialize THEM as Fiction/dream in the same way Maha-Vinshu trivialized the Universe/Maya as a dream in Hinduism. A property that countably infinite sets (irl) cannot (However, in SCP they also possess all the properties of irl, the author even cites wiki to explain this) and according to the Tierning system and FAQ it is equivalent to the distance between Dimensions and so At Least Low-1C
At least that's my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong
And the question here is does this make the Church-Kleen ordinal set of 2A multiverses in SCP Low-1C? If it's Low-1C then what about larger countably infinite ordinals? The author also claims that the Church-Kleen ordinal is much smaller than First Uncountable ordinal/Omega-Sub One
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