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Ultima_Reality

Ultima_Reality

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  • Magicomethkuon
    Good evening, you seem to be one of the go-to staff members when it comes to potentially higher dimensional content. Would you help with evaluating this?
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    Bringing Xenosaga to a Higher Dimension: Cosmology

    Agree: 10 (7 users, 2 staff admin, 1 Calc Staff) @Setsuna_tenma , @Violatas , @DarkDragonMedeus (Staff Vote) , @Gonzalo , @BLS , @Luckyfun , @Celestial_Pegasus (Staff Vote), @JTGamer96, @CloverDragon03 (Calculation Staff Vote), @AdamVhenJP Disagree: 1 (1 staff admin) @Firestorm808 (Only possibly...
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    EliminatorVenom
    Excellent write-up on the perceived issues with the tierlist. As I am busy at the moment, I couldn't read it entirely (I stopped on Counterpoint 3) and I plan to resume my reading after I conclude some work. It really reminds me of several years ago when those questions were very much a concern for the nascent Liber Proeliis, a brazilian wiki I helped start - although in a much less complex situation and manner, of course - and makes me miss a bit on the discussions I had.

    I really thank you for the insight you provided, and I hope that the discussion, if nothing else, promotes debate and reflection on the tiering. There is nothing I can add onto the discussion, so I'll just say I am in full agreement with the points made. What little contention there may be, as far as I read, were very minor.
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    Ultima_Reality
    Eu tenho lembranças da Liber Proellis também. Queria poder ter ajudado naquela época em retrospectiva, sabendo o que eu sei hoje.

    Mas enfim, fico feliz que você achou a argumentação convincente.
    BasedNecoScaler69
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    Outerversal Neco-Arc

    Here, Neco-Arc creates a new branched ending in the Ciel Route, where Shiki and arcueid fight together to beat ciel. The characters in this corner constantly treat the nasuverse like a game, referring to it as a work of fiction, which along with the rewriting of the story, is textbook r>f...
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    outerversal neco-arc sama
    LuffyRuffy46307
    Could you take a look?
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    Voids between timelines

    I'll be brief, In the work I'm watching, there was a void separating the timelines from each other, to go there is a line you will have to cross this kind of void between the timelines Practically the timelines in this work work from the following information, an event in the past does not...
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    ProfectusInfinity
    Hello dear mod. If you have a single minute or two to spare, I need your rough stance on something regarding the tiering system standards that's been subject to controversy recently.
    So there's been a lot of discussion regarding the standards for higher additional/higher dimensions. Through these two statements from DDT and yourself, it was established that overarching timelines aren't automatically Low 1-C because spatiotemporal separation doesn't inherently introduce new axes/dimensions of time, and a single time dimension can service a construction of a timeline encompassing a multiverse. With all the debate over technicalities of when overarching timelines could qualify for Low 1-C, I have to summarize my concerns into a simple yes/no question.
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    Are overarching timelines Low 1-C when there is confirmation for the lesser timelines it encompasses harboring their own time dimensions/axes?
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    Tdjwo
    Hello Ultima, can you please address the Nasuverse High 1B thread thats been left unattended to for months? Everyone is waiting for your reply you said you would make. Thanks.
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    Ultima_Reality
    You all would probably kill me if I said I plainly forgot about it, but: Will do, yeah.
    Tdjwo
    Tdjwo
    I mean, that's understandable tbh. Not everyone has the time to remember multiple crts especially if the whole wiki depends on your opinion lol
    Lasting900
    I don’t know if this even helps or applies to the Negative Theology discussion, since I have a somewhat vague understanding of these ideas. Or even if this method to define a tier is still being considered? But Yahweh the Lord King Father, God the Father | ELOHIM YHVH (Sometimes spelled as YHWH), Jehovah, Allah, God, The All, The Tellurian, The Ein Soph, The Divine Presence, The Ultimate Reality (SMT, World of Darkness, etc.) is the God from Abrahamic Faiths? Is considering his descriptions (beyond Negative Theology) from these religions holy texts a viable route to extrapolate tier?
    Elizio33
    Hello, sorry to bother you, I wanted to talk about Marvel cosmology and why character tiers are so high. If you don't mind, can you explain the reason why a composite Marvel Cosmology was accepted? Unlike DC Cosmology which didn't work as well.

    Thank you. 😊
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    Elizio33
    Elizio33
    Yeah, i agree, Marvel is less fragmented than DC. I'm wondering, can you help me work on a composite DC Cosmology (Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV and Joshua Williamson). Does all Morrison's works like JLA, Animal Man, Doom Patrol matches with those of Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV and Joshua Williamson? As for Joshua Williamson, we learned that the Great Darkness was not as involved in Dark Crisis or any Crisis as once thought. The origins of creation of darkness and light can be reconciled with that of Perpetua and the light can be seen as The Source. What do you think?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I believe they do, yeah. Frankly I think the only author on that list that is in contradiction with the others is Williamson, but then I've heard that, apparently, the origin story he gives for the multiverse might not be wholly true? I'll most likely look into that if needed.
    Elizio33
    Elizio33
    The story of the eternal struggle between the Great Darkness and the Light was false, because the Great Darkness never intended to extinguish the Light and, therefore, never caused a single Crisis. Anynay. Here's my attempt to align the origin stories of Morrison, Snyder, Tynion, and Williamson;

    Before existence, it was said that nothing and everything were the same thing; a single black infinitude, and from this darkness came a burning light that would later be known as The Source. As the light grew, everything was no longer nothing and the darkness screamed, causing an imperceptible flaw in the once immaculate perfection of the light. In that moment, the cosmos was born -- the raw materials of a multiverse were born from The Source and gathered by an Unseen Hand who sent the super celestial Perpetua to take these materials and shape them into three realms based on the three most basic forms of matter that will constitute a fully functional multiverse.
    Huesito88
    Hey Ultima you don't have to do this immediately, I'm aware your a busy person, but I'd really like your help clarifying if this is the case or not (as I don't remember it being the case as far as I'm aware). In this vs thread, It's been brought up whether or not different NEP (if it's "one of the superiors ones" would work on lowers types without showing of such a feat) can actually work on each other or not. Some people are saying it does and that there's an unofficial rule and some are saying the opposite. I'm hoping you can help resolve this.

    https://vsbattles.com/threads/goku-black-vs-reverse-flash.159286/#post-6089629
    Arceus0x
    Hey man. I heard you've been having issues with your account and im sorry to hear that.
    Considering that in, I'm sorry I have to bother you one last time but I have to get by somehow.
    I would really appreciate if you could evaluate my thread since nobody else who knows tier 1 stuff even replied to me before when i called them to the thread. At this point it all hinges on one opinion from a tier 1 expert. Please help me out, I just want to get it over with.
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    Godzilla SP Novelization - Verse introduction

    Actually that's enough approval so this CRT can be applied after 48 hours
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    If you're still interested, please come. If not, I won't be bothering you over this matter again.
    MeiouHades
    Hi Ultima, would you mind giving this thread a read and perhaps answer the concerns I raised? It's about what you said regarding Low 1-C in the KH thread, and I believe some of it may be wrong, but perhaps I could be misinterpreting you. Thanks

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    Small question about dimensionality: Ultima may be slightly wrong

    So I was reading the recent Staff Thread about a clear standard for Low 1-C scaling, what does and doesn't qualify as such and more. Within that thread, I came across a transcript of a statement apparently made by Ultima in this post within a Kingdom Hearts CRT. To save you the trouble, the...
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    Theglassman12
    Hey Ultima, are you going to comment in the Type 5 Acausality thread or not? It's been over 2 months and you've told me a dozen times you're going to comment. If you're not gonna comment I'll just ask some other staff to evaluate the thread and just move on.
    Jozaysmith?
    this upgrade is very short and will need your help
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    Simple Short Upgrade for slime boy

    disclaimer i am here to propose a very simple Hax and intelligence upgrade For rimuru tempest only, I was meant to do bulk hax upgrade but i don't want to get in the way of celestial pegasus so i would wait until he makes a volume 16 upgrade thread before acting the base hax&IQ upgrade Super...
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    Excellence616
    Hi Ultima!


    I wanted you to check out this feat:

    Quicksilver after his Limiters were removed by Scarlet Witch and Synapse (Avengers Vol 1 #688), he went so fast that he went beyond the bounds Of physical reality and Scarlet Witch and Brother Voodoo have to go and venture Dimensions beyond Space and Time to look for him (Avengers Vol 1 #690) and when he finally came back (By himself), he discovered that he is unstuck from time. (Quicksilver No Surrender #1-4)

    My Question is, with all these, what Speed Rating will he get because because he is already rated Infinite Speed as his rating but i think he should be higher than that and also, is there any abilities that comes with this said feat?
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    Gasper
    Gasper
    Maybe resistance to time stop? I'm not sure.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    It is indeed just Infinite Speed, yeah. I don't think it's Immeasurable because Pietro becoming "unstuck from time" practically speaking just means everything becomes frozen in place from his perspective. Immeasurable would be if he became able to move through time in the same way he moved through space, or something.
    Excellence616
    Excellence616
    Okay, but it like at first when he ran, he went beyond the bounds Of physical reality that Voodoo went looking for him in dimensions beyond space and time and when he final slowed down he discovered that he is unstuck from time.
    Sasukesama0492
    Hi.I have a question, character X is said to have evolved into a higher dimension and this character X is 3D and character Y used a phrase like "he has now transcended this dimension" to confirm this, can character X be 4D without qualitative transcendence?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Not sure if my input is still wanted here, given it's been over a week, but, anyway: Not necessarily, no. "Transcend [place]" first and foremost just means "Go beyond [place]." If you travelled to another universe, saying you "transcended your universe" would be an accurate statement, for example. So, it isn't evidence of infinite superiority on ita own, no.
    Zereer
    Hello. I would like to know, if possible, what book is this scan from? I have seen and bought (in e-book form) many MegaTen books, but have not seen this text before.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    It's from a TTRPG module. Sephiroto no Makai, is the name of it.
    Zereer
    Zereer
    Great, thanks for the info. Can I clarify: are the scans of this module posted somewhere? Periodically I check twitter, reddit, bookwalker and some sites with scans of artbooks etc, but from MT TRPG I saw only the Chinese translation of 20XX. Apparently, there is interesting information here, I would be glad if there were scans of the entire book somewhere. Thanks in advance for your reply.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    The scan in question was gotten directly from the book, since a friend of mine bought it a while ago. Otherwise I don't think it can be found anywhere else, no.
    Sasukesama0492
    Hi.I have a question, character X is said to have evolved into a higher dimension and this character X is 3D and character Y used a phrase like "he has now transcended this dimension" to confirm this, can character X be 4D without qualitative transcendence?
    TiltedFN
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I'll add it to the list, though seeing as other stuff is my priority right now I can't guarantee a swift reply.
    TiltedFN
    TiltedFN
    That's fine, and thank you. I know you're one of the most knowledgeable on tier 1, so this is appreciated because I'm not really getting any solid replies on the thread.
    PrinceofPein
    Hey Good day, your input will be appreciated in this thread
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    FIRE FORCE X SOUL EATER CRT (GOD TIER REVISION): ADOLLA X KISHIN

    This is going to be an extensive crt and is probably going to be my last crt. Keep calm and be respectful as always. Please do not derail this thread in any way. Have fun and keep an open mind. ADOLLA Adolla is transcendent realm beyond human understanding. It is simply the culmination of...
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    Tdjwo
    Hello Ultima. Do you mind helping in finishing up the High 1B Nasu thread? We are all awaiting your response to the thread and the thread looks dead now. Thanks.
    Rafi_BZ
    Hi i want to ask, why does the infinite dimensional structure in the analogy of r>f, not include an infinite amount of vector space as well?
    Fixxed
    Hello, i have 3 question

    1. There are infinite 4D structure, that structure is a small part of the infinitely larger structure. Can the infinitely larger structure be low 1C structure?

    2. Add more infinite will not make you higher infinity, are it right if you have infinite that bigger than previous infinite will make that infinite is higher infinite? I mean higher dimensional

    3. If there are bigger time structure that encompasses the other timelines, can that time structure being higher dimension???
    LuffyRuffy46307
    Ultima, sorry to bother you! But could you answer that from here? Of course, if you have a little time.

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    Low 1-C question.

    From what I understand, there's a construct in Dragon Ball Heroes that's been argued as low 1-C. I'll give a brief description of it now. The crack of time contains infinite 4-dimensional timelines in the form of small crystals. The destruction of the crystals is consistently juxtaposed with...
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    Eseseso
    Hey, in preparation for when we discuss the Marvel scaling once Part 2 of the Abstract scaling ends (IF it ever ends), I have a question for you:

    In Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comic Magazine #6, Doom with heavily implied prep-time not only tanks a blast from Uatu with little to no damage (keep in mind he was not holding the Cosmic Cube when he was blasted), but then proceeds to stagger Uatu with a blast that knocks the Cosmic Cube out of Uatu's hand and back into Doom's own hand.

    Do you think this is a valid prep AP/durability feat for Doom?

    Efi in another thread said no (for reasons I don't agree with), but ByAsura said that since oom was using a bunch of weapons and shit in a successful effort to steal Galactus' power, it's a valid prep feat.

    Also, in FF Vol 1 #14, Doom's forcefield took blasts from the Mad Celestials combining their beams for 27-28 minutes: FF Vol. 1 #14.

    Efi rejected it in an earlier CRT by claiming the Mad Celestials held back out of "respect", which would be incredibly OOC for the Mad Celestials and is utterly nonsensical headcanon. It is true that Doom's shields were eventually overpowered, but his forcefield's durability at max power should at minimum scale above the amped Odin who got clapped by casual Celestials.

    This is a blatant 2-A (soon to be High 1-B) durability feat for Doom's forcefield, and if Sue Storm's forcefields scale to the Mad Celestials then it makes no sense for Doom's not to.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I read the comic a few days ago for Galactus' profile and caught sight of that, yeah. It's a valid feat in my opinion.

    The Mad Celestials holding back infinitely out of... respect (???) is completely nonsensical, so, I agree that it's a viable feat, yeah, especially given Doom routinely does absurd stuff like that through his technologies. Though Sue in particular is not a benchmark I'd use to scale him, since her forcefields are heavily variable, and she's not always outputting them on Tier 1 scales (In particular, she could only harm Celestials and Hyperstorm when she learned her powers were actually connected to Hyperspace and started tapping into that aspect of them)
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Eseseso
    Eseseso
    Nice job!

    Tad bit surprised that Heralds haven't been upgraded but that's just me.

    High 1-B and Low 1-A stuff looks solid, as do both High 1-A parts.

    Rest looks good.

    Just curious, do you have a discord? And if you don't mind, what do you think of the 2 Doom feats above (the one for forcefield durability and the one for prep AP/durability)?
    Gasper
    I have one question about Dark Tower Cosmology, do you think "Turtles all the way down" is an actual hierarchy or not?

    EDIT: also, do you think the Deadlights are qualitatively above Macroverse?
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