Ultima_Reality

Hello! Sorry to bother you, I know you are busy with the R>F thread, but I would really appreciate your input in this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/kingd...an-between-re-evaluation.160329/#post-6142153
Basically, a verse's Low 1-C value is getting re-evaluated after the new standards, and in the thread several users are saying that now a space (which is also called "hyperspace") that contains several 4-D structure, described and shown to be small compared to said space which is infinite in comparison, is not enough to get Low 1-C. All this seems extremely weird to me, especially considering that from what several users are saying it's basically impossible to get a quantitative superiority with the current standards. Your input to clarify this would be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance for the help and have a nice day!

I thought of an analogy for your tiering system argument:
Say there's a magical girl with tier 9 feats, and a small animal she can't harm because of some gimmick of her powers. Can we compare their strengths?

Two things:

1. I found a CRT that had this old blog of yours. Honestly, I think standard Strange should be "5-A to Low 1-A" even normally, not just with prep, mainly for the reasons in your sandbox, so if you ever want to revise Strange's tier sometime lemme know.

2. What would you say to making a Discord server of Marvel Comics revisions?

Yo ultima, (Ik you arent really advocating for a change but still keeping op title as this because i mean what did you think would happen)

So overall I think all points made are great, however an issue that I am having is where you would rank further hierarchical dimensions as weve currently defined them

So from what ive seen, it seems you are proposing a tier below 11c to account for qualitatively inferior layers, and that 1A and above would change from talk of higher infinity dimensions to qualitatively superior layers, and that all higher infinity dimensions would be a sort of "high 1b+.

However i dont think that what effectively acts as all of low 1a, 1a, high 1a, and 0 currently to be shoved into high 1b+. What i think should happen is these sorts of higher levels of infinities with regards to dimensions and such, like inaccessible as described with high 1a (and basically the whole range of either high 1b through 0 or low 1a through 0) to be its own tier.

I think that this topic has been delved into quite heavily in many fictional verses as we see with the many characters in this tiering range (even though many characters should be in different spots due to the issues you mentioned in your post. Not all of them change).

So i basically think there should be 14 tier ranges instead of the 12 now. A range below 11 as you said, all of the current ones, transfinite dimensional tier range (which is what the current low 1a to 0 is), and then the qualitatively superior range above this that you refer to in your post. Then 0 of course. Or maybe not its own entire section but you get the gist

Thoughts on this?

How does your proposed tiering system revision affect https://vsbattles.com/threads/delet...the-reality-fiction-interactions-page.144227/ and https://vsbattles.com/threads/removal-of-negative-theology-scaling.154924/?

Hi ultima, I've read this thread of yours and I don't have permission to comment but I have a question, what will happen to verses that get to outer using multiple r>f transcendences?

I read this thread, but I don't have permission to ask this as it is a staff discussion

But, where would Low 1-A be in all this? I haven't seen anything about it in the thread. Will it just be nuked?

Hey Ultima, this may seem like a bad time to send this given the revisions to the Tiering System going on, can you please check this Homestuck CRT out since I noticed you were on the supporters list https://vsbattles.com/threads/yet-a...for-base-form-and-low-1-a-depowered-le.147056

im just a random guy reading that interesting thread who want to point out my view
and after the back and forth, I can see 2 major thing

• first is your point, being we couldnt fill in non-reality into reality, making all mathematical/ dimensionality couldnt touch in untill 1A
• second is dt point, that, r>f didnt really have scans for it able to touch all dimensional either

So my suggestion is, just make them both not being able to interact until 1A, dimensional/ math and r>F will stay the same at the tiering system, however they will just get more property - in this case being not interact with eachother until either reach 1A, a l1c R>F will need 1A dimensional to interact with it, and a l1c dimensional will need 1A R>F to interact( unless theres feat prove otherwise)
In fact, dt said this

DontTalkDT said:

Technically, R>F and dimensional tiering should be on two separate power axis. Both being 5D and seeing a universe as fiction are being infinitely superior to it, but without feats neither should be able to affect the other. The 5D character can't punch something more real than it and the R>F character doesn't cover 5D space as part of the cosmology it transcends. I will say that, as usual, I consider assumptions that R>F should just be able to cover the dimensions because in real life dimensions don't matter for a writer as overextrapolation. It's too much enforcing our views on fictional verses.

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Ifit's not too much to ask, could you participate in my crtIf

Would your new tiering system revision upgrade Cthulhu Mythos in anyway?

Hello Ultima and sorry for bothering you. How would characters that interact with reality be viewed in this new system? Like Popeye can jump out of the cartoon and fight the writer. Of course that is a gag feat but generally such feats would be 1-A or just antifeat for reality?

hello i have question. I saw your thread regarding Qualitative and Quantitative superiority https://vsbattles.com/threads/on-th...es-of-the-tiering-system.159803/#post-6111278

1. So even the cosmology use berkeley cardinal, it would be still High 1-B+ ?
2. If The cosmology only has Qualitative superiority but no quantitative superiority, is it enough to reach 1-A ?

Thanks

Hi Ultima, I have a question about the thread revision issue you created. this


1. If a fiction applies type 4 multiverse in its story as a cosmological structure without further explanation, will this downgrade its tier from 1-A to High 1-B?

2.Just by having proof of qualitative superiority and that qualitative superiority only applies to 12 layers, is that enough to tier 1-A?

3. If there is a verse that has a transcendence of reality>fiction that is very clearly visible in the story of that verse, such as Demon King Daimao, The Unwritten, Marvel Comics, etc, will it have a big impact if this revision is accepted?

I assume a well defined or proper context Absolute Infinity would now be 1-A instead of high 1-A if the thread were to pass?

Wow.... I have question how would we give tier to a verse like The Unwritten, if all thing in your thread went through?
From recent The Unwritten Downgrade thread, the justification for Hierarchy of Stories is suggested to be changed, and there was one feat at the end of the "The Unwritten Apocalypse" where Wilson Taylor to save the world turn the whole "The Unwritten" into a Stories that he write, which made it that a Writer in The Unwritten could add an Hight 1B R>F hierarchy in their books.

Could you allow me permission to post here? I was asked by Lawyer to post on your thread, however it got transformed into a staff discussion, and content mods have no perms to grant rights.

Good evening, you seem to be one of the go-to staff members when it comes to potentially higher dimensional content. Would you help with evaluating this?

Excellent write-up on the perceived issues with the tierlist. As I am busy at the moment, I couldn't read it entirely (I stopped on Counterpoint 3) and I plan to resume my reading after I conclude some work. It really reminds me of several years ago when those questions were very much a concern for the nascent Liber Proeliis, a brazilian wiki I helped start - although in a much less complex situation and manner, of course - and makes me miss a bit on the discussions I had.

I really thank you for the insight you provided, and I hope that the discussion, if nothing else, promotes debate and reflection on the tiering. There is nothing I can add onto the discussion, so I'll just say I am in full agreement with the points made. What little contention there may be, as far as I read, were very minor.

outerversal neco-arc sama

Could you take a look?

Hi, are you interested in stopping by this thread? https://vsbattles.com/threads/jibaku-shounen-crt.159733/

Hello dear mod. If you have a single minute or two to spare, I need your rough stance on something regarding the tiering system standards that's been subject to controversy recently.

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So there's been a lot of discussion regarding the standards for higher additional/higher dimensions. Through these two statements from DDT and yourself, it was established that overarching timelines aren't automatically Low 1-C because spatiotemporal separation doesn't inherently introduce new axes/dimensions of time, and a single time dimension can service a construction of a timeline encompassing a multiverse. With all the debate over technicalities of when overarching timelines could qualify for Low 1-C, I have to summarize my concerns into a simple yes/no question.

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Are overarching timelines Low 1-C when there is confirmation for the lesser timelines it encompasses harboring their own time dimensions/axes?

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Hello Ultima, can you please address the Nasuverse High 1B thread thats been left unattended to for months? Everyone is waiting for your reply you said you would make. Thanks.

I don’t know if this even helps or applies to the Negative Theology discussion, since I have a somewhat vague understanding of these ideas. Or even if this method to define a tier is still being considered? But Yahweh the Lord King Father, God the Father | ELOHIM YHVH (Sometimes spelled as YHWH), Jehovah, Allah, God, The All, The Tellurian, The Ein Soph, The Divine Presence, The Ultimate Reality (SMT, World of Darkness, etc.) is the God from Abrahamic Faiths? Is considering his descriptions (beyond Negative Theology) from these religions holy texts a viable route to extrapolate tier?

Hi.Does existing in a void outside of space-time give immeasurable speed?

Hello, sorry to bother you, I wanted to talk about Marvel cosmology and why character tiers are so high. If you don't mind, can you explain the reason why a composite Marvel Cosmology was accepted? Unlike DC Cosmology which didn't work as well.

Thank you.

Hey Ultima you don't have to do this immediately, I'm aware your a busy person, but I'd really like your help clarifying if this is the case or not (as I don't remember it being the case as far as I'm aware). In this vs thread, It's been brought up whether or not different NEP (if it's "one of the superiors ones" would work on lowers types without showing of such a feat) can actually work on each other or not. Some people are saying it does and that there's an unofficial rule and some are saying the opposite. I'm hoping you can help resolve this.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/goku-black-vs-reverse-flash.159286/#post-6089629

Hi, sorry to bother you, do you think WOD has Acausality type 5? If so, could you please look up the Acausality type 5 thread and give some arguments?
Here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/acausality-type-5-checklist.154606/

Hey man. I heard you've been having issues with your account and im sorry to hear that.
Considering that in, I'm sorry I have to bother you one last time but I have to get by somehow.
I would really appreciate if you could evaluate my thread since nobody else who knows tier 1 stuff even replied to me before when i called them to the thread. At this point it all hinges on one opinion from a tier 1 expert. Please help me out, I just want to get it over with.

If you're still interested, please come. If not, I won't be bothering you over this matter again.

Will you ever finish your God (divine comedy) sandbox?

Hi Ultima, would you mind giving this thread a read and perhaps answer the concerns I raised? It's about what you said regarding Low 1-C in the KH thread, and I believe some of it may be wrong, but perhaps I could be misinterpreting you. Thanks

Can you check this crt? If it's hard to follow, just check the tldr section at the end of the post.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/archetype-earth-1-a-thread.159111/#post-6073995

It's just scaling a character to another, so none of the usual tier 1 hassle.

Hey Ultima, are you going to comment in the Type 5 Acausality thread or not? It's been over 2 months and you've told me a dozen times you're going to comment. If you're not gonna comment I'll just ask some other staff to evaluate the thread and just move on.

Hello mate, can you give your input on this Very Important Thread, please? Thanks!

It's related to a Hyperversal Verse.

@Ultima_Reality

https://vsbattles.com/threads/is-my-little-pony-low-1-c-lets-find-out.158207/

Can you verify whether the above branching is acceptable by our standards? To my knowledge, this is an unprecedented acceptance of one timeline that branched so much it became Tier 1.

Hello, I need your opinion for this Q&A.

Could you give your input if you have time, please?

this upgrade is very short and will need your help

Would you be willing to give your judgment on this thread given arguments have so far reached their conclusion?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/prime...discussion-thread-rule-addition-after.158156/