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Ultima_Reality

Ultima_Reality

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    is this Acausality type 5?

    Beings who are free from the laws of causality, let's call them A, but are not transcendent of them. There are other beings who are "transcendent" of the law of causality (I know they won't be Acausal type 5 because there isn't much information, so let's say they are just higher degree of...
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    Can you help with this?
    RoTt35
    Hello, I would appreciate if you could give your input on this thread when you have time, it is about a possible Low 1-C character based on R>F. Thanks in advance
    Guacamolefletcher
    Hey ultima, can you help me by evaluating this thread about parallel spaces in a mathematical sense? i say this because I've seen far too much downplay about the cosmology of things that should literally be 4-dimensional in size without any mention of space-time shenanigans because of parallel spaces, which automatically should imply 4-dimensional size.

    Here is the thread with my proposition and explanation why.
    Reiner04
    Hey ultima, I wanted to ask that in tier 2a, are we assume to affect insignificant 5d structure in which timelines exist?
    Reiner04
    Hey ultima, I was curious about one thing, we have specified in Low 2c that Destroying a universe and it's "all past present and future" would be low 2c, but technically can't a character should be able to achieve this tier even if he destroys Aleph 1 numbers of High 3a structure? That said, isn't specifying "all of past, present and future" is kinda not necessary? Given that condition can be met with any amount of time.
    Antvasima
    Hello.

    I have sent you some PM messages, and AKM sama said that you told him that you would read and respond to them several days ago, but despite visiting this forum several times since then, you do not seem to have done so yet.
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I understand as much, yes. Like I said, I'll try to set aside some time to take care of at least more pressing matters, wiki-wise. It's hard to tell when my general activity outside of that will normalize, but for now, I suppose the answer is "Late November."
    Antvasima
    Antvasima
    Okay. Thank you for the information.
    wwereymy235
    wwereymy235
    I disagree with the downgrade, based on my experience the evidence is not enough for a downgrade
    Dereck03
    Hey Ultima, I have a bit of a peculiar question.

    We have a universe, this universe is infinite in size and has countless divine domains in it that are microcosms of the world. One of the divine domains can contain infinite timelines that are compared to the universe, so by containing them, that divine domain becomes a 2-A structure, and it just being a microcosm of the universe, so the universe becomes 2-A because it is able to contain countless of those divine domains. Then we have 99+ layers, these layers are infinite in size and are capable of containing countless up to infinite universes (2-A), and then we have a massively even larger structure called "SS" which is capable of containing all of the above. Even characters that can see the infinity of universes and layers cannot see or imagine the infinity of the "SS". My question is, what would be the tier based on these structures? Something more than 2-A or just 2-A stacking structures?
    It should be noted that each universe has a different timeline between them and the "SS" has its own timeline as well.

    It should be noted that the layers have a dimensional difference (although it is not implied that they are higher dimensions) for example, someone capable of destroying a universe (2-A) in layer 1, could not even destroy a simple ship in layer 2 even a grain of air means a great weight to them (and it applies not only to AP, but also to Hax, Laws, Concepts, Speed, toughness, strength).

    Hope you can answer.
    Dereck03
    Dereck03
    I'll just bump once and I won't do it again.
    Teach1121
    Hey Ultima if it's not touch trouble can you give me your thoughts on my universal+ jinwoo revision post
    Fifthist
    i have some interesting stuff from placeholder mcd regarding the scp cosmology. where can i send it to you?
    Gasper
    Hey, ultima could you please comment on mine world of darkness minor upgrade please? I hope i am not annoying you.
    Donatien
    Hello. I responded to your objections to my argument on this thread. However, firestorm told me he wants to prioritize his argument in the thread, so I might as well talk about it on here since no ones posted on the thread in a while. What do you think about my defense of my argument?
    Delta333
    I have a question, if each interval of one timeline exists as its own universe (for example, those from the future will see their own world from the past as another space-time), what is the tier of the entire timeline?
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    Delta333
    Delta333
    @Ultima_Reality something like that, although the series doesn't outright say that each point is a space-time, it only says that a period of time in the history and a period of time in the future are two separate universes with time flows
    Reiner04
    Reiner04
    Afaik I don't think it's said anywhere that future and history are separate universes with different time flows though, are you sure abt that?
    Delta333
    Delta333
    @Reiner I talk about another series
    Reiner04
    I am just left with one topic which is if hilbert space in manyworlds interpretation of quantum mechanics in which universes are embedded in a infinite dimensional sea of hilbert space is qualified for tier high 1b?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    If the infinite-dimensional space is an actual, physical thing in which the timelines are embedded, then, yeah.
    Reiner04
    Reiner04
    Thanks for addressing my question. It's a huge help.
    Timeless
    With the recent addition of Self-Reference ENGINE, will/when pages for characters such as Laplace's Demon be added?
    Reiner04
    I'd one question, if each point along timeline has its own fabric of spacetime, then will destroying entire timeline would count as 2b, if the timeline is infinite?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Oh, wew, that is one late answer. But, regardless: Not really, no. Each point along the time axis by definition is purely 3-dimensional, and as such has no extension into the temporal dimension. It's just a static picture of the universe, pretty much, with 0 duration.
    Reiner04
    Reiner04
    Thanks (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
    Jamesthetaker
    Hi there, Ultima. I want to ask a question about how we treated unique cases of higher dimensions.

    Basically, there is a verse that follows the string theory, in which there are 11 overlapping dimensions like membranes. The 11 dimensions are seen as a manifold, and higher dimensions trivialize lower dimensions via R/F Interaction. However, there are alien creatures called Engines that live in one of the 11 dimensions, and they aren't exactly higher-dimensional beings.

    How do we treat the 11 dimensions in this case? Do they still count as legit higher dimensions or do they not because the natives who live there aren't higher beings?
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    Jamesthetaker
    Jamesthetaker
    The clip didn't state that the dimensions were branes or even places. The Human World contains the universe where humans live, not that it's the place itself.

    The clip even shows a manifold space made of those 11 dimensions, which highly suggests the brane theory. Also, the series already portrayed alternative universes with different visuals, so it's unlikely that those dimensions are parallel universes.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    It very much does. The very first thing said in it is "The world is made up of 11 overlapping dimensions, like membranes," and then we have a little visual of 11 membranes being shown side-by-side, each a different "world."

    Pretty obviously not axes, and the membranes being initially depicted as crumpled together into a sphere does nothing to suggest that this is what they are. All a "manifold" is, also, is a space that's locally flat (In the sense it has the same properties as euclidean space in some given area of it), so, that doesn't even do much to support your argument, either.

    Alternate universes being depicted using different visuals elsewhere would be good to break ambiguity, too, but as it were, there is none here. Everything in that clip points towards those "11 dimensions" not being spatial ones.
    Jamesthetaker
    Jamesthetaker
    Alright then, thank you for your help.
    Sniper670
    Hello. I was wondering about qualifications for getting tier 1A off of Apophatic Theology. Or at least how one can be considered Apophatic, on the wiki.

    Is simply being ineffable/unknowable /incomprehensible enough? I got mixed answers. It's also not mentioned anywhere on the tiering system. And even this, isn't all that clear
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Statements of ineffability or incomprehensibility generally are not enough, no, since to prove such a thing, you'd need the verse to establish that this is an inherent property of the character in question, instead of just some hyperbolic statement that's meant to be talking about how they're hard to grasp (Even 4-dimensional space is visually incomprehensible to us, after all)

    I think the Nasuverse is a good enough example of this. Since it actually goes out of its way to say that the Root always escapes any definitions one attempts to impose on it, which automatically just refer to something apart from, and below the Root itself.
    Sniper670
    Sniper670
    Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification
    Ceoofmemes
    In the TES scaling thread someone posted this:"
    The Leaper King is one of the few primordial spirits that can survive its bite. Implying that many of the Deities disappear into Alduin's mouth. Which is actually very significant, given the physiology of Etda.


    "To which Alduin roared and laughed and said, "King of Leapers, you always bounce up to me around this time (for you are one of the only spirits that can last til my last bite) and shout, 'Wait!', but I never do and I will not now. Leap up to Hrothgaar's top and wait awhile longer in little dignity. The two bells have went 'Gong! Gong!' and that means the kalpa has turned.""
    — The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga"

    I wanted to know if this is at all significant to the scaling of Alduin and the like since it seems to imply Alduin can consume notable deities especially considering later in this same book it states that Mehrunes Dagon is the only Deadline Prince who was willing to bother Alduin.

    "And by turns the snow whale and the dirtbird told the story, and its details, and in his magnificence did Molag Bal know that this was indeed the dream-work of Mehrunes Dagon, his brother of razors, the only Prince who dared trouble the sleep of the dragon-eater, Alduin."
    — The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I don't know that I'd take the first statement that seriously. By the nature of how the Kalpic Cycle works (The end of each Kalpa is just a return to the Dawn Era, whose "end" then marks the start of a new one), Alduin's eating would have to be restricted to the Mundus, since it's the only place in the Aurbis where time moves linearly while every other realm participates eternally in the untime of the Dawn.

    I do agree that the Aldudagga in particular does treat Alduin as being above the Daedric Princes, though, yes.
    Ceoofmemes
    Ceoofmemes
    Don't know why I never noticed the reply. They also posted this excerpt from the Nords' Totem religion:

    The Dragon, Alduin - Alduin is venerated on the winter solstice by ceremonies at ancient Dragon Cult temples, where offerings are made to keep him asleep for one more year. Alduin is also the source of many common superstitious practices before any event of significance.

    The Dragonborn God, Talos - Talos’ totem is the newest, but is everywhere – he is the Dragonborn Conquering Son, the first new god of this cycle, whose power is consequently unknown, so the Nords bless nearly everything with his totem, since he might very well be the god of it now, too. Yes, as first of the Twilight Gods, this practice might seem contradictory, but that’s only because, of all the gods, he will be the one that survives in whole into the next cycle."
    — The Nords' Totemic Religion

    Though I question the validity of this due to the mention of attempting to keep Alduin asleep wouldn't this also suggest that Alduin eats the divine?
    Nkiratina
    Hello sorry for bothering you, The point is that for a long time I wanted to do the recalculation of the feat of shaking tamriel from Skyrim(As it was discussed in this thread).

    But first I wanted to ask you what measures to use(As you are one of the most knowledgeable of the verse) because as you can see here in the notes, we have 3 measures of Tamriel by the Arena Player's Guide.

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    Nkiratina
    Nkiratina
    Don´t worry for the late answer, I know you are always very bussy and I apreciate that you took the time to answer.

    Anyway I also want to ask other things about the feat(though I may ask this in the calc discussion but I want to ask you first).

    1-What formula should I use? The one of the old blog or the Alternative Method to determine Richter Magnitude from the wiki.

    2- Since we have the value of area(km2), would it be okay to use a circle to find the radius(km)? Or does it not seem right to you?

    3- Do you think we can use it to also calculate the speed of the power of their Voice?

    ​

    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I looked around and found that we seem to already have a calc that uses the latter method, so, not too sure if a remaking of the original blog is needed at this point. Unless you'd like to try using a different value for the Tamriel's size? (Like I said, the UESP page mentions that other figures exist, but never really specify what they are, exactly, so)

    As for the third question: That'd probably be fine, yeah.
    Nkiratina
    Nkiratina
    Oh in that case I don't think it´s necessary to recalc it.

    Anyway as for the timeframe to the speed, should I consider when the shaking ends("0:10") or when The Greybeards's voice disappears and is no longer heard("0:13")?
    OnsokunoSonic
    Hello, so I heard from a knowledgeable member that infinite dimensional space is automatically H1-B even if it doesn't have R>F difference? The person already done his best to answer my question but I still need more references, so if you have the time, please answer my question, thank you.
    HammerStrikes219
    https://vsbattles.com/threads/everything-beyond-tier-3-is-a-cluster-****.138649/#post-4878323 Need to inform all staff members that knows the Tiering system well and inform @Agnaa
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Overdramatic way of informing people about it, but, sure. I'm aware of that thing's existence already.
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Yeah, I know, but let’s been honest we saw this thing coming a mile away
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Removed two replies on this message wall since the main topic was about the thread I linked on this wall.
    Sorry about that as I end up confusing myself for doing it.

    Blame my own impulses for that one.
    Event_Horizon
    Hi, I was wondering if you were ever planning on a part 2 to your Cthulhu Mythos Revisions thread? The current "1.5" thread could have some interesting points you could include as well.
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