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Btw shouldn't flame-on King tanking his own explosions be a durability feat?

Probably.

1. Thank you.

2. I mean, it's consistent.

Explosions > Base Zoro's durability >= Pre Mink Zoro's durability, which scales to tanking hits from BM and the Hakai. Yes the Hakai broke his bones but it didn't kill him like the explosion would've done.

Seriously, King probably could've used that later in the fight, or just kept using flames in general.

Oda gave King the idiot ball for sure.

When it comes to stuff like fire manipulation it's generally assumed that if they're unaffected by their own attacks it's due to some inherent resistance to flames etc, but a resistance to explosion manipulation is typically just treated as regular durability.

But yeah King post zoro unlocking hao started fighting stupid, most likely because Oda wanted to wrap up the King fight one chapter after the Sanji fight thus having King fight worse than he had done prior.

1. Yeah nothing in story suggests King tanking his own explosion isn't normal durability, especially since the chapter was showing how tough his durability was.

2. SMH. I know his Zoan/Hybrid form was getting overpowered, but all he needed to do was keep his flames on and he won. Another self-destruction would likely have ended the fight. Thought it could be that King just panicked.

Care to give your thoughts for Sanji vs Killer and X Drake vs Jack?

Personally not too interested in those matches.

Surprised no one has done Sanji vs Marco or King yet.

1. Ok then.

2. I plan to do Sanji vs Marco after Sanji vs Killer concludes just to see a massive rage-debate among certain scalers (Cough @KingTempest Cough)

3. King beat Sanji (again)

Btw, so once the X Drake vs Jack thread concludes (it's currently 6-0 in Drake's favor, so if you want to give your input to help speed things up that'd be appreciated), I plan on doing a Sanji vs Drake thread afterwards as a sort of rematch between them since their real fight never properly finished.

What do you think?

Btw, Guernica surviving Shuron Hakke Hybrid Kaido's Haoshoku Infused attack and still being capable of taking pictures of G5 Luffy makes Zoan Drake holding his own against Guernica seem like a much better feat for Drake.

On a related note, I now actually think Zoan/Hybrid Drake probably has superior AP to Killer due to damaging Guernica and making him bleed twice (once off-screen since after the fight we see blood running down Guernica's mask, and again when Drake impales him), who now has 3 solid yonko-level durability feats. Yes, Drake still downscales, but IMO it's better than Killer's AP scaling to at least some extent.

That said, it probably doesn't affect the outcome since Killer can take his hits (as he took hits from BM) and can use Sonic Scythe to negate durability.

Also, speaking of Hybrid Drake, for his and Apoo's scaling to a casual Buso Zoro (though considering that Guernica's durability got a large boost I really wouldn't be surprised if Hybrid Drake scaled outright to pre-Mink Medicine Buso Zoro instead of just to a casual Buso Zoro), what do you think about rewording the scaling so that they scale above Buso Zoro's casual deflection of a Kaifu with just one sword, instead of the confusing wording saying that they scale to a casual Buso Zoro?

Both the manga and anime show Zoro effortlessly blocking the Kaifu with 1 busohoku-infused sword, and he clearly used more effort against Apoo than when he blocked the Kaifu (not to mention he used 2 swords against Apoo compared to only using one to block the Kaifu, and the way he blocked it was a casual deflection).

Also, is it crazy of me to think that Hybrid Drake was kinda portrayed as comparable to Post-Udon G4 Luffy in the scene where the 2 of them each one-shot a Number?

I mean, that's basically the reasoning we use to scale Base Wano Chopper to Base Luffy.

Don't need to worry about Drake vs Jack since that already concluding in Drake's favor, but if you want to input on Sanji vs Killer (since one more vote and Sanji gets a rare win), I'd appreciate it.

I'll vote then so it can conclude

I appreciate it, amigo.

Btw:

1. I'll probably make Sanji vs Marco some time just to see @KingTempest and @Kachon123 get into a rage-war.

2. I may also do Drake vs Sanji (since in canon they never got a proper fight). I think Sanji would win, but what do you think?

3. What do you think about what I said above in regards to Guernica's survival of Kaido's blow greatly helping Drake's scaling?

4. What do you think of my proposal to just scale Apoo's normal AP and Hybrid Drake above the Kaifu for the reason(s) I listed above instead of the current confusing scaling to a "casual" Buso Zoro?

1. I'm interested in that match.

2. Don't really care much for Drake matches tbh

3. It's further support for Drake/Apoo etc being around the god tier range of scaling rather than with the rest of the tobiroppo at High 6-C/whatever they currently are.

4. Sure

1. I'll make it once Grace ends for Sanji vs Killer.

2. Fair. Still hope he gets more spotlight.

3. Valid.

4. Thanks, I'll think of a good justification sentence for Apoo and Drake.

Edit: Made the justification edits for Drake and Apoo. Honestly seems so much better than "a casual Buso Zoro", since that seems vague in regards to what level Drake and Apoo actually scale too. The new justification helps prove that they still scale above Scabbard level.

4.5. Btw, Apoo drawing blood from Maha with a kick and hurting him (with Maha even crying out in pain in the panel) is yet further support for Scabbard level Apoo (without his DF, that is).

1. I'll probably make Sanji vs Marco some time just to see @KingTempest and @Kachon123 get into a rage-war.

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@Eseseso I should palm the shit out of you for making a thread deliberately meant to upset me and a Sanji mf

Jesus dude, you almost gave me a heart attack.

I'm still gonna make the vs debate tho.