King's Fire burn Marco, Kizaru's laser didn't even leave a scratch. King can tanked Zoro's Goken, Regular Armament works on Kizaru. Kizaru have skill in sword combat but King is more versatile, He can Combined sword skill and hand to hand combat skill easly. Vote for King.
Good points ig
Speed difference, lol. This may seem stupid, but does King have armament, btw?
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Yes, he used it to overpower Zoro in their fight, at least according to his profile.
Please read his profile
I meant in his light form but I guess that's equalized too?
Doesn't really matter, Pre-timeskip Zoro easily Dodge light speed Beam in close range without using observation Haki, King is Observation user.
I had to equalize it since the Wano speed revisions aren't done yet. but considering King is gonna scale to FTL stuff that from what I can tell is >= Kizaru it really doesn't change the outcome.
I'm gonna be honest, King probably has better durability. Hear me out. Zoro, who seemingly puts both basic armament ( not advanced but still dangerous ) and advanced CoC ( which is said and implied to be far better than advanced armament ) still couldn't slice King with King's flame up. Meanwhile Kizaru, from what I remember, hasn't been hit once in the story but that's due to his speed and fruit. How ever, we can assume he's somewhere near, or equal to, Akainu, while Akainu had blood drawn by Vista and Marco, both not having advanced haki from what I remember, and especially not advanced CoC. He was also momentarily warded off by Crocodile, Jinbe, and Marco. And old white beard beat the ever loving shit out of him and injured him badly.
Doesn't it take time for Kizaru to use attacks anyway? Zoro couldn't block King fast enough, but could block or dodge light speed beams as mentioned by some one else. So basically, it's not far fetched to say King can snipe Kizaru in the head in the time he takes to charge up the danmaku stuff. Or he can just, dodge. Kizaru would have to do like he did to zoro pre time skip and hold him down with one leg, and that simply ain't happenin captain.
There is shown to be charge up time for Kizaru's attacks yeah, King's regular attacks don't seem to have that (which will scale to FTL while Kizaru's lasers will be Light speed). The only attack King has shown that has a small charge up time is his Imperial Deep Pride Stake which would blitz Kizaru and do heavy damage.
What
My point exactly
There is?
Yeah, we see a massive star effect before any laser is fired with Kizaru and the other Laser users, which to my knowledge is shown in the story to take up some time before firing (although the time is inconsistent)
He had to hold down Zoro to charge up an attack on him, said attack was so slow that Rayleigh was able to fly in and kick him.
That is just like a notification that he is about to fire... He could instantly shoot if he wanted to
At first, advanced CoC wasn't much help to Zoro, so advanced armament, which is less powerful, should not help Kizaru that much. I'll leave the other arguments for King for others to make for now.
Kizaru has dura neg.
There is no basis that scales Haoshoku above Busoshoku in AP. This is flat out headcanon
1. I'll add you to the King voter section.
Yeah I agree with this, his lasers would definitely pierced through King as they did Marco and WB.
Not sure this will be relevant in the fight, he got away with that due to his superiority to Hawkins but as we see against Ray, Marco and WB he doesn't attempt this. Plus King's Kenbun should allow him to prevent this move.
I think he'll honestly mostly attempt not to reignite in this fight, he is paired with Queen and knows his fighting style well enough (The vivre card comments on their tremendous co-ordination in battle) so he should be aware of the dangers Kizaru's lasers and other lasers (assuming he knows about Ichiji's) and thus choose to mainly rely on speed like he did against Zoro when he posed a significant threat to him.
Yeah, King has quite a few good speed amps. I imagine this will change in the future when Kizaru gets a fully dedicated fight though. But for now the dino bird would be faster.
He tagged Zoan Marco (although this could be due to his coordination with Queen) but regardless he scales to Zoro who intercepted the likes of Base Kaidou and Mom who scale to Zoan Marco.
Not sure I agree with this method of scaling, I'd rather just use the fact he cut Marco himself directly.
It's decent support scaling IMO, while the Marco wing thing is...okay for now.
If Kizaru attempts physical attacks then yeah they wouldn't do much, if he users lasers then that durability is meaningless.
Why would Luffy need it then? It was implied and said to be something much harder and rare to unlock, which is true, as more people have advanced armament than the like 4 who have advanced CoC not including implications or assumptions. And, with advanced CoC, Luffy slammed Kaidou to the ground, Yamato slammed Kaidou to the ground, and Zoro gave Kaidou a permanent scar and made him cough up blood. Meanwhile, the scabbards, who all have advanced armament iirc, had to band together to merely awaken an old scar Kaidou had.
I guess because Luffy calls his Adv Buso emission/Internal destruction shallow in comparison to his Hao infused strikes. Kaidou's & Luffy's VC statement do say that only those exceptionally strong can use it, but I'm unsure if this means having it makes them exceptionally strong compared to others or if only those who were exceptionally strong prior can unlock it.
Tbh people with only hax and average haki took much more time to defeat or injure the emperors. Law and Kidd were on the brink of dying ( though they kept bringing up the 20 inch ***** in them which is " I've got one more attack in me ". It's a cheat code for them to prolong their life and attacks. ) when they beat Big Mom. Not to mention, she lost due to BFR, not due to them legitimately incapacitating her or killing her, since she'd keep healing and/or clapping them with Homies. Meanwhile, 3 Haoshoku users ( Yamato and Zoro notably injured him badly but his zoan regen helped him recover unlike the next person I'll list ) all injured Kaidou badly, and Luffy broke his horn and knocked him out, which is an actually fair win.
There's like 7 people who have it so far
Zoro could cut Kaidou left and right without any Hao
doesn't literally mean AP, since base Luffy was weak as hell when he learned it
