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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Deagonx said:
It's fairly straightforward. A user sought permission to make a thread downgrading the Fate/Nasuverse cosmology in Staff Discussion from Qawsedf, who granted it.

Some of the supporters of the verse are upset that it was made a staff discussion thread and want more free reign to comment, but given how volatile of a subject it is I think it should remain in staff discussion and I think Qawsedf was right to permit it.

It's not really RVR related, but they've brought it up here, on my wall, on Discord, in my private messages, et cetera.

My stance remains firm. We don't need a dozen people arguing at once. Firestorm and I are discussing it in the thread with one of the main supporters and knowledgeable mods on the subject
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Seems like a reasonable take on the matter, but I would perhaps think it might be fair to choose a supporter or two to also have permission to comment.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Seems like a reasonable take on the matter, but I would perhaps think it might be fair to choose a supporter or two to also have permission to comment.
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Currently Paul_Frank has permission, and Crimson and Migue have commented to. I am not opposed to an additional one, but I would prefer that decision be made carefully with regard to temperament.
 
Deagonx said:
Currently Paul_Frank has permission, and Crimson and Migue have commented to. I am not opposed to an additional one, but I would prefer that decision be made carefully with regard to temperament.
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Which is why you need to unban Regidian, he's the perfect person for the criteria you said
I know it's temporally but for how long we don't know (at least assumpting Regi know how long his thread ban are)

Anyway it seems we have reached a conclusion, now what we need is to decide on Regi allowance to participate again, tho if you ask me, i can recommend @Mageman460 to come since he's also meet the criteria, outside that nothing else

With that i'm gonna step out from RvR, cheers
 
As state by the rules:
  • A single verse shouldn't have more than 3 content revisions threads running simultaneously. If 3 are already running, one of them should be concluded before a new one is created.
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So based on that premise, that spamming crts isn't allowed, I would like to formally report @Marshadow29 for spamming crts.

Currently there exist 3 different crts for the verse currently open (one of those crts very important to the verse as it affect the cosmology), more if also counted something like this minor clean-up of one profile, so with that in mind the user in question currently have 7 other content revisions threads currently open plus two other crts he made the exact same day (this Sunday, not even with an hour apart between them) that propose two different things. Furthermore, while currently closed (and rejected btw), he also made several more threads in short spans of time, and all of them of quite bad quality (reason to why not only supporters but normal users and staff rejected them, except maybe one or two things between all the threads but tbh I don't even remember a single thing of them that have be accepted), so since March the supporters of the verse (and completely unreleated staff he talk in their walls) had to deal with 14 bad quality crts from the same user (who btw also stonewall the threads itself, including other threads not made by him), as as result the supporters of the verse (myself included and I didn't even personally stepped in most of the threads, unlike more active supporters like @Paul_Frank, @Mageman460, @CrimsonStarFallen, etc) are at this point just tired from having to constantly deal with him, so I (and likely the rest of supporters) would like for a topic ban for at least some months to make him calm down.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
As state by the rules:

So based on that premise, that spamming crts isn't allowed, I would like to formally report @Marshadow29 for spamming crts.

Currently there exist 3 different crts for the verse currently open (one of those crts very important to the verse as it affect the cosmology), more if also counted something like this minor clean-up of one profile, so with that in mind the user in question currently have 7 other content revisions threads currently open plus two other crts he made the exact same day (this Sunday, not even with an hour apart between them) that propose two different things. Furthermore, while currently closed (and rejected btw), he also made several more threads in short spans of time, and all of them of quite bad quality (reason to why not only supporters but normal users and staff rejected them, except maybe one or two things between all the threads but tbh I don't even remember a single thing of them that have be accepted), so since March the supporters of the verse (and completely unreleated staff he talk in their walls) had to deal with 14 bad quality crts from the same user (who btw also stonewall the threads itself, including other threads not made by him), as as result the supporters of the verse (myself included and I didn't even personally stepped in most of the threads, unlike more active supporters like @Paul_Frank, @Mageman460, @CrimsonStarFallen, etc) are at this point just tired from having to constantly deal with him, so I (and likely the rest of supporters) would like for a topic ban for at least some months to make him calm down.
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Tbh I've hardly seen anyone actively try to enforce that CRT limit rule and it's kinda a big thing too when popular verses often get spammed the most with CRTs worse still if it's a lone user doing it, instead of a collective effort from verse supporters.

As someone who has had the misfortune of seeing my fair share of poorly formatted CRTs, I honestly think @Marshadow29 is either truly ignorant about basic online etiquette or is just trolling, regardless I can attest something needs to be done soon, since 14 CRTs (let alone poor quality ones) in a relatively short timefame (from the same user) is just an absurd workload for both staff and users to process and it can't be healthy for all parties involved.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
As state by the rules:

So based on that premise, that spamming crts isn't allowed, I would like to formally report @Marshadow29 for spamming crts.

Currently there exist 3 different crts for the verse currently open (one of those crts very important to the verse as it affect the cosmology), more if also counted something like this minor clean-up of one profile, so with that in mind the user in question currently have 7 other content revisions threads currently open plus two other crts he made the exact same day (this Sunday, not even with an hour apart between them) that propose two different things. Furthermore, while currently closed (and rejected btw), he also made several more threads in short spans of time, and all of them of quite bad quality (reason to why not only supporters but normal users and staff rejected them, except maybe one or two things between all the threads but tbh I don't even remember a single thing of them that have be accepted), so since March the supporters of the verse (and completely unreleated staff he talk in their walls) had to deal with 14 bad quality crts from the same user (who btw also stonewall the threads itself, including other threads not made by him), as as result the supporters of the verse (myself included and I didn't even personally stepped in most of the threads, unlike more active supporters like @Paul_Frank, @Mageman460, @CrimsonStarFallen, etc) are at this point just tired from having to constantly deal with him, so I (and likely the rest of supporters) would like for a topic ban for at least some months to make him calm down.
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I agree with the topic ban. In addition to spamming these threads, my experience has been that Marshadow often engages in an immature way and is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with due to his limitations with English, he doesn't seem to understand what's being asked of him in terms of clearly explaining his reasoning or evidence, so it often devolves to just him repeating himself or responding to debate points with non-sequiturs that seem to stray from the narrative of the discussion. I don't think it will be productive to have him engaging with Nasu CRTs.
 
Deagonx said:
I agree with the topic ban. In addition to spamming these threads, my experience has been that Marshadow often engages in an immature way and is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with due to his limitations with English, he doesn't seem to understand what's being asked of him in terms of clearly explaining his reasoning or evidence, so it often devolves to just him repeating himself or responding to debate points with non-sequiturs that seem to stray from the narrative of the discussion. I don't think it will be productive to have him engaging with Nasu CRTs.
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To that I would also like to add that he don't seem to understand in general how the wiki works, something specially evidenced in his tier 1 threads (more specifically, the 1-A ones since those reached the several pages from his stonewalling and lack of understanding), so besides the topic ban a recommendation to familiarize more with the wiki would also be good.
 
I don’t think they’re really being malicious, so the topic ban I’d say should be temporary and not unreasonably long (maybe a month?). And yeah, I’d say a good reminder to properly familiarise themselves with how the wiki works & its rules is a good idea (even though their account says they joined 6 months ago so they’re kind of expected to be better than this).
 
Migue79 said:
I don’t think they’re really being malicious, so the topic ban I’d say should be temporary and not unreasonably long (maybe a month?). And yeah, I’d say a good reminder to properly familiarise themselves with how the wiki works & its rules is a good idea (even though their account says they joined 6 months ago so they’re kind of expected to be better than this).
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If a may, personally speaking while I also believe he isn't really malicious and instead is someone without common sense (as that seems the way other users with similar behaviour have be called before in this thread), after all the interactions with him I believe a month would be too short for him to really learn how to act better, after all he didn't learn after two months of bad quality thread spamming, so I believe something like 3 months would be better, if after that he seem to be the same then I will ask for a longer or even permanent topic ban (depending of how bad things are then).
 
I don't know if this is the place to ask this, but will those threads Marshadow made be closed? or will they stay open?
 
Ok, now that i'm aware of this "3 threads per verse" rule, i have to ask, what about Dragon Ball Threads?! There seems to be a bunch of them going on at the same time, and while this could be excused as DB being a big verse, it's still pretty tiring to keep track with all of them, especially if you're a staff, wich results in a bunch of them having almost zero staff input, wich leads to them being open for long time.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
As state by the rules:

So based on that premise, that spamming crts isn't allowed, I would like to formally report @Marshadow29 for spamming crts.

Currently there exist 3 different crts for the verse currently open (one of those crts very important to the verse as it affect the cosmology), more if also counted something like this minor clean-up of one profile, so with that in mind the user in question currently have 7 other content revisions threads currently open plus two other crts he made the exact same day (this Sunday, not even with an hour apart between them) that propose two different things. Furthermore, while currently closed (and rejected btw), he also made several more threads in short spans of time, and all of them of quite bad quality (reason to why not only supporters but normal users and staff rejected them, except maybe one or two things between all the threads but tbh I don't even remember a single thing of them that have be accepted), so since March the supporters of the verse (and completely unreleated staff he talk in their walls) had to deal with 14 bad quality crts from the same user (who btw also stonewall the threads itself, including other threads not made by him), as as result the supporters of the verse (myself included and I didn't even personally stepped in most of the threads, unlike more active supporters like @Paul_Frank, @Mageman460, @CrimsonStarFallen, etc) are at this point just tired from having to constantly deal with him, so I (and likely the rest of supporters) would like for a topic ban for at least some months to make him calm down.
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1. I didn't even know that rule existed, as dragon ball ,naruto and other shit have 1002928 crts open. Either apply this fairly across the board or not.
2. Explain how they're bad quality besides you disagree.
3. Nobody really cared when I was making upgrade threads, but as soon as I make a downgrade one, there's a problem? If it was such an issue, you would've reported it months ago.
4. You've been making not so subtle jabs on me across several crts and even on Deagon's wall. Whatever issue you had, you could've discussed it on my wall.
I have full reason to question your motivations as it was only after the gilgamesh thread that you decided to fact, with no attempt to discuss anything with me prior
 
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Marshadow29 said:
1. I didn't even know that rule existed, as dragon ball ,naruto and other shit have 1002928 crts open. Either apply this fairly across the board or not.
2. Explain how they're bad quality besides you disagree.
3. Nobody really cared when I was making upgrade threads, but as soon as I make a downgrade one, there's a problem? If it was such an issue, you would've reported it months ago.
4. You've been making not so subtle jabs on me across several crts and even on Deagon's wall. Whatever issue you had, you could've discussed it on my wall.
I have full reason to question your motivations as it was only after the gilgamesh thread that you decided to fact, with no attempt to discuss anything with me prior
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  1. Is not other people fault if you don't read the rules though, that's entirely your fault. But even accepting that, you still were warned by other users and asked to stop the constant spamming, you however didn't paid any attention to that and just continued. Edit: Forgot, but is also sort of common sense that spamming isn't good at all, even more when various persons ask you to not do it, so it isn't a excuse at all.
  2. I don't know what to say to you if you are unable to see the problem with them and why they are said to be bad, because people in general just agree with the fact that most (for not say all) of your threads are of a bad quality, hence why end rejected, like ignoring myself (obviously since I'm the one doing the report) you still have knowledgeable supporters of the verse telling you why they are bad (and explaining the wrong things in each of them) like @Paul_Frank or @Mageman460, staff like @CrimsonStarFallen (who like half a month ago was beginning to think that a topic ban was needed) or @Migue79, non supporter normal users like @ImmortalDread, and non supporter staffs like @Qawsedf234 (who btw also agreed that a topic ban was probably needed with all the 1-A spamming), @Deagonx or even @Mr._Bambu who just now with the report looked at some of them, all reliable users who just ouright say they are bad while also explaining the motive and you still not learning. When not one, two, or even three but instead dozen (also counting those I didn't mention here) of reliable people reject your arguments and call them bad (again, while also pointing the individual problem in each of them), then you don't need to be a genius to notice that you are doing something wrong, the fact that even after weeks of such dynamic you still don't see anything bad at all is a problem.
  3. That's incorrect, pleople cared, hence why they were always pointing the problems with your arguments (and behaviour) and tried to make you understand it, @Mageman460 even went here to ask for the staff to tell you to calm down with the spamming, as a matter of fact when he posted his report I already was writing mine, however after see his I stopped and hoped that things would improve, which unfortunately didn't happened. Also, if your point is that people only cared when a downgrade was brought then all your other threads would had be accepted as they were all upgrade, but instead all of them were rejected (except maybe one minor thing here and there between everything, but I honestly don't remember even a single accepted thing from them). Additionally, my problem with the recent thread and why I'm finally writing a report is because there currently exist a very important thread that affect the verse, and despite that you went and created two new threads, dispersing people focus of the actually important ongoing discussion, that was the thing that crossed the line to my eyes and made me go here.
  4. They weren't subtle jabs, they were me saying that your threads were bad and you should improve their quality, something that others agreed with, and the comment in @Deagonx was with the purpose of stop you from continue derailing (something that you objetively speaking did various times) the important thread currently ongoing for the verse, as well as other staff discussion threads you went without permission and deraied.
I made my report and normal and staff users agreed with it alike, so this certainly isn't some sort of grudge or malice from my part and instead is a problem that others also perceive. I said my share and so I don't have more to say here so this is my last post in the matter, now I will let the staff decide based in the things brought.

Edit: If suddenly appear that this message was edited is not because I added or changed one of my arguements, it's because I suddenly noticed grammar mistakes I did here and there so I edit to correct them, the staff know this as they can look at the post changes.
 
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In short, the man has spammed extremely low-quality CRTs to such an extent that verse supporters struggle to actually keep up with the volume. He claims he didn't know about our rule limiting the number of CRTs that may be open at the same time, which if true I think warrants a lighter sentence, to be fair. Still, he does act poorly on these CRTs and the sheer number is notable- seven that he has currently running, with two of them being made in the same 24 hour time period.

Personally I'd go with a month long topic ban as a solid reminder not to spam such stuff, and to put more thought into the CRTs being made.
 
This user created the entire page involved with tier 0 stuff without any thread, even the format is completely wrong
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Rabbit2002 said:
This user created the entire page involved with tier 0 stuff without any thread, even the format is completely wrong
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Rushsound(form 2)

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I have deleted it.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
In short, the man has spammed extremely low-quality CRTs to such an extent that verse supporters struggle to actually keep up with the volume. He claims he didn't know about our rule limiting the number of CRTs that may be open at the same time, which if true I think warrants a lighter sentence, to be fair. Still, he does act poorly on these CRTs and the sheer number is notable- seven that he has currently running, with two of them being made in the same 24 hour time period.

Personally I'd go with a month long topic ban as a solid reminder not to spam such stuff, and to put more thought into the CRTs being made.
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That rule seems to be applied unevenly at beast, as many verses have more than 3 pages open.
 
There is a phrase to be said about that, Marshadow. "Two wrongs don't make a right." Simply put, even if other verses are having an influx of CRTs that, in all honesty shouldn't be happening yes, that does not give you the right to post a million CRTs an hour.

If you have multiple topics that need to be looked over for a single verse, then compile your thoughts into one large, cohesive CRT rather than spreading it out into many multiple ones. That way, people can simply look in the one place for your proposed changes and give their complete thoughts there, rather than searching all over to comment on different things, which appears to be one of the major problems here.

Though, of course, I suppose that whether or not this advice is useful to you at all depends on if this topic ban gets applied.
 
Starter_Pack said:
There is a phrase to be said about that, Marshadow. "Two wrongs don't make a right." Simply put, even if other verses are having an influx of CRTs that, in all honesty shouldn't be happening yes, that does not give you the right to post a million CRTs an hour.

If you have multiple topics that need to be looked over for a single verse, then compile your thoughts into one large, cohesive CRT rather than spreading it out into many multiple ones. That way, people can simply look in the one place for your proposed changes and give their complete thoughts there, rather than searching all over to comment on different things, which appears to be one of the major problems here.

Though, of course, I suppose that whether or not this advice is useful to you at all depends on if this topic ban gets applied.
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Im not saying i shouldn't be punished for whatever, but at least apply the rule evenly for everyone if you apply it
 
The rule about how many active threads a verse can have is difficult to enforce as we don't have some kind of running tracker and the line between a CRT that is "closed" as compared to one that was simply forgotten about is fuzzy.

But in your case, you've made fourteen CRTs for the same verse in a span of 3 months. That's really over the top.
 
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Mr._Bambu said:
In short, the man has spammed extremely low-quality CRTs to such an extent that verse supporters struggle to actually keep up with the volume. He claims he didn't know about our rule limiting the number of CRTs that may be open at the same time, which if true I think warrants a lighter sentence, to be fair. Still, he does act poorly on these CRTs and the sheer number is notable- seven that he has currently running, with two of them being made in the same 24 hour time period.
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Deagonx said:
But in your case, you've made fourteen CRTs for the same verse in a span of 5 months. That's really over the top.
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Just a small correction, he have 7 crts open plus the other two made Sunday so in total he currently have 9 open crts, but 14 of those crt happened between March and this Sunday, the months before that were 1-2 other threads but they were normally spaced. That intensity was the reason of propose 3 months instead of just 1.
 
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