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Gilgamesh (f/sn) downgrade
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it's a tiny bit more than that
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On top of numerous other statements through out all of Fate series Gil shows up in. Avalon is in the core of the planet. So destroying the Earth does require destroying Avalon.
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Considering Enkidu popped his own Enuma right after(And is an excellent source on that kinda stuff) there wasn't much chance lol
Otherwise, what everyone else has said
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Okay. Can you share that with me?
Right but does "destroy the world" mean "destroy the planet earth?"
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Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
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These are the reasons listed on the Ea page
I am also unsure as to why Gilgamesh killing Tiamat as listed for the CCC key as far as I remember, Gilgamesh didn't get any special buffs to get access to full power EA
Which is weirdly enough a bit different from the Gilgamesh page
I am also unsure as to why Gilgamesh killing Tiamat as listed for the CCC key as far as I remember, Gilgamesh didn't get any special buffs to get access to full power EA
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Marshmallow?
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
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I also have one question while we're here, why would Ea be considered a Mesopotamian artifact and therefore limited to the Mesopotamian texture?
To my knowledge Gilgamesh only found the sword and called it Ea, same goes for the attack Enuma Ellish.
To my knowledge Gilgamesh only found the sword and called it Ea, same goes for the attack Enuma Ellish.
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Do we consider that replica as also imitating Avalon?
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@Marshadow29 pretty sure he confused the name since he didn't use the tag function.
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The dude who made the thread.
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I was making fun of the misspell lmfao
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Even if it was a Mesopotamian artifact, we know that shit with high levels of Divinity don't really get limited to their own textures anyway. Someone like Zeus shapes the world itself by existing, and several Gods have anti-planet attacks. Zeus even has Anti-Solar System attacks, which are definetly not talking about just the Greek texture considering even his casual bolts in much weaker forms could incinerate the entire thing anyway lol.
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Yeah that's true, I was just wondering if we could even base it on being Mythology limited. Which if no, then I don't see a lot of texture only stuff making sense due it not having an origin that would limit it to that texture.
It wouldn't be much different from limiting Excalibur to the Arthurian (or is it Celtic?) texture.
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yes but the op said:"Destroying the world can mean you destroy the earth’s reality marble/texture, which is only low 2-c.
Textures only make up the surface of the planet."
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No as far as I am aware.
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Which is explicitly... not the case for Ea.
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Think it only mirrors Servant related things and Artoria didn't have Avalon
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Even if this downgrsde went through it would still be Low 2-CI agree, downgraded to 5-B. Why is a finite planet with 6 dimensions, LMAO
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contradicted by tiamat existing
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
world =Mesopotamian texture.
textures are obviously not 1-c
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Ea is explicitly blocked by avalon. People are saying " its retconned" but give no reason as to how it contradicts the current lore.
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If you read the thread, thats not what i was saying at all. All i said was that Ea got blocked by avalon, and should not scale to/above it like it does current;y
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
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It was only on the NP, not the land itself anyway although I like to note Avalon has multiple statements, not just the one posted by @Small_Ophion (IIRC).
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Ignoring the fact that the reality marble/mirror could just be the size of the earth without any layers,and that Akhilleus Kosmos is rated as unknown by itself, yea thats it yea thats it
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the np itself is a link to the land right? not really a huge difference
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Once again, false. This has been provided numerous times, you just elect to ignore it.
You seem to be ignoring the part where it is also said numerous times that Ea can destroy the world.
The texture contains the sun, stars, the rest of the universe etc. Avalon is also connected to the planet being it's core and all . Even beyond that, Ea is blatantly said to be able to DESTROY the modern world.
You actually said it multiple times. Which btw, Ea's page has been renamed to Ea (Fate) since it seems to have bothered you so much.
Yeah, that's it if you ignore everything else that has been provided.
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all that was given was that fgo was made several years after f/sn, and its nasu's nature to contradict things. I have not seen yet 1 contradiction, if i missed something, send it here
You seem to be ignoring the part where i showed that different mythologies, can have different worlds
The world has many different meanings in typemoon works.
Which is why its 2-c, unless you want to say that all Aristoteles are actually part of the earth. The modern world is only 1 layer of the earth.
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We seem to be going around in circles with Marshadow at this point.
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circles because even though im showing many sources of evidence that the "world" can mean several different things depending on the context, none of you will budge
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Do keep in mind that is from a material book that explicitly pointed out Ea at its fullest output can not normally been defended against unless you have something equal to that of anti purging or a attack that is on the same scale as Ea itself and that is after F/SF, Fate/Zero, and so on.
Also I don’t know why we automatically assume it will destroy Avalon in its entirety, but regardless, I getting tired of having to go through the statements from every available source on this topic alone.
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I'm kind of confused on where you're getting at, tbh i dont see what purge or anti purge has to dow ith anything here
yea its kinda weird, especially since the wiki likes to use the low end of feats to be on the safer side.
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Why?
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Ea is not Mesopotamian-bound, even by the OP's arguments, Ea extends to ALL mythologies since we don't know precisely where it's from to my knowledge.
Adding that along with the fact that Ea gets a new world or planet destruction statement every game/guidebook it's in(and occasionally gets them from shit like Strange Fake), makes the singular feat in the first work of fate overshadowed and unusable due to Nasu's added statement of retconning shit in regards to power- basically, WoG and Statements kill this thread.
Avalon being in the planet's core kind of means Ea extends to that too, if you destroyed a planet destroying it's core too is a baseline assumption until proven otherwise
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Also considering how F/SN haven’t gotten a remake, we have to see how that goes.
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TBH I kind of hope it does, with the Tsukihime remake it definitely gave hope to the older works to get a fresh start
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If Avalon is shown to once again block Ea at its full power, then it effectively make the statement made in a FGO material pretty much valid all things considered.
Also, the only reason Avalon is even 6D is thanks to one of the multiple statements that was posted after F/SN.
Hell, even the one Fate Zero mat has a statement about Avalon (NP).
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Yeah, honestly if we get more context as to the why and how that'd be great, I just love enough context being there so we don't have to make assumptions
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Ea is a real Mesopotamian god, and its three sections represent heaven, the earth ( where humans are), and the underworld.
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