Anyway, this is probably the occasion that I vaguely remembered from John Ostrander's Spectre run.
Was it stated elsewhere that Luthor was draining The Spectre of his power at the time?
All it stated is that the machine was draining magic from the Universe and fueling the machine.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Just because some website lists it as a debate term doesn't mean it isn't insulting nor is it appropriate to use here.
I did not mean it as an insult, I meant it as a fallacy, if you felt like I was insulting, now you know!
No one said Spectre is not above Nabu, I don't know why you are continuously straw manning my argument. My argument is that Nabu was relative.
Bro???
Where does the Sphere of the Gods rank on our current cosmology scaling map, @Deagonx , @Elizio33 , and @Firestorm808 ?
I'm not 100%, but it's worth noting that his plan involves doing this in conjunction with the Otherkind by getting them to destroy the most powerful magical beings, which obfuscates things a bit.
Not really. Destroying the beings living in a place doesn't mean the place itself is weakened. If someone destroys the Earth after making some others kill the Justice League, it's still a planetary feat
The magical beings I'm referring to are on Earth, not the Sphere. However in this case your statement is wrong. Magic powers the sphere.
Magic powers the sphere, not its users.
Why would destroying the users destroy magic? Destroying the users means there's no one to use magic, but it still exists, for someone to use if someone ever gets the power to.
Read your scan.
1. Scan that magic powers the Sphere?
His scan said Sphere is the source of Magic, not the other way around.
Yet that's literally what Fate indicates.
Alright, before continuing this debate any longer, we would like you to show us your scan, because without it, this debate is pointless
I am referring to the scan you posted.
Where did it say Magic powered the Sphere? To the contrary, it said the Sphere is the source of magic.
He said the Sphere is the Source of Magic's "true power" not that the Sphere was the Source itself. Regardless, the point is that he is using the Otherkind to destroy the most powerful magical beings in order to assist in this task. If what you were theorizing was actually true, there would be no reason for him to lure the Otherkind to Earth to do this.
There was one single Universe. He was using the magic of the entire Universe to fuel the Machine. The act of Luthor and Spectre had made Phantom Stranger, Zatanna, Enchantress, etc so weak that they had to combine what little power remained just to summon Spectre. Didn't this event also leave Mxy powerless?
He also said Magic would die.
Where is it stated he was using the Otherkind to assist in his task? He just says he and the other Lords would destroy the Sphere when they eat Earth's magic.
No? There are a million different reasons for him to lure the Otherkind.
1. Scans?
I didn't just repeat my arguments, I enhanced and expanded on it. Reading that essay will give a better understanding of my arguments than you would get from reading my previous posts on the matter. The improvement wasn't insignificant.
Him luring the Otherkind was stated to be directly in conjunction with his goal of destroying magic. Which means the Otherkind killing Earth's magical beings and eating Earth's magic assists that goal.
Not what that means. Nabu was allowing the Otherkind to go to Earth and devour the magical beings so they would be away from Magic's true source, that is, the Sphere. This would allow him to smoothly destroy the Sphere, which in turns destroys magic, and this causes the Otherkind to starve in the material realm, as they would have no magic to feed on.
Except he never says that this is the goal.
They'd have no magic to feed on either way. Magic would be gone
He also never says your interpretation is right, there's no reason to take yours over mine, especially when yours is more contradictory while mine has no contradictions.
What do you mean? Can you elaborate?
Yeah I think that's fine. The other stuff can be handled in the Zero Hour CRT which is proceeding much more smoothly.
