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Pretty decisive vote in favour of the OPOkay so lemme count the votes one last time:
Agree: Ultima, DarkDragonMedeus, LephyrTheRevanchist, Lonkitt, Maverick_Zero_X, KingTempest, Planck69, LordTracer, Elizhaa
Disagree: Deagonx, Firestorm (Maybe?)
Don't we need a separate CRT to discuss who scales to this 2-A scaling?Pretty decisive vote in favour of the OP
This can be applied now
Likely, though it coincides with @Emirp sumitpo heralds threadDon't we need a separate CRT to discuss who scales to this 2-A scaling?
Yeah, we'll discuss this later in Emirp's thread.Likely, though it coincides with @Emirp sumitpo heralds thread
@Ultima_RealityBefore we start accepting the Editor's statements, shouldn't we, you know, find in-comic scans that would support these alternate hypertime timelines existing within the Orrey?
The statement is already accepted. It's in the cosmology page.Before we start accepting the Editor's statements, shouldn't we, you know, find in-comic scans that would support these alternate hypertime timelines existing within the Orrey?
It would seem that this WOG statement was overlooked at the time. As with any WOG statement, it needs to complement, reliable in-story statements.The statement is already accepted. It's in the cosmology page.
If you think it should not have been accepted in the first place, then that's a separate issue entirely. You should really just make another thread for it.It would seem that this WOG statement was overlooked at the time. As with any WOG statement, it needs to complement, reliable in-story statements.
"Mass acceptance"?So we are knowingly using a WOG statement without supporting scans for a Tier 2 change because it was part of the mass acceptance during the initial blog creation?
The blog was utterly massive. It's easy to overlook these things. However, what Firestorm is saying aligns with our Editing Rules:Didn't the blog take months of discussion to accept and eventually implement? And nobody caught this until now?
Author statements will only be accepted when they clarify what has been shown or implied in the series itself, and will be rejected when they contradict what has been shown to the audience. Statements that technically do not contradict anything shown in the series will still be rejected if there is no evidence that they are accurate.
Anybody got a response to this above? I get the OP and potentially agree but I wanted to know people's thoughts regarding this.The other thing is, we currently treat alternate timelines as independent numbered Earths, based on the fact that Jaxon's alternate timeline became Earth-295. In addition to the fact that the creation of the 52 Earths was described as happening through fractal branches in Hypertime
So I am not sure it fully stands to reason that each of these 52 also has infinitely many others via Hypertime. World Forger also notes that the universe was infinite, was reduced to a single universe, and then became 52 universes.
Darkseid damaging the Orrery was him breaking the space-time/vibration around the New Earth's universe, which acts as the nexus point that the entire multiverse reacts to.Taking this from the DC Cosmology Page:
So, currently we acknowledge this, where Dan DiDio says that Earths in DC contain not just the regular universe, but also all alternate timelines of that universe, as well as multiple alternate dimensions. Yet:
So the Orrery of Worlds and the Bleedspace which it encompasses are treated as 2-C structures. Darkseid damaging the Orrery with his fall from the Sphere of the Gods is rated as a 2-C feat right now, and so is Perpetua and the Batman Who Laughs threatening to destroy the Bleed, the space containing the Earths, in their fight.
This in spite of the fact that the 52 universes contained in it each contain what is acknowledged to be an infinite number of timelines, meaning each of them should be 2-A.
So, yeah.
Earth-295 is a part of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse, or "Multiverse-2" as its called now. Hypertime itself grows and changes, and has always been the collection of all possible realities and timestreams. To say that Hypertime could have Earths that contain their own timelines within them isn't a far fetch, especially in iterations of the Multiverse where there are only 52 Earths and alternate futures and timelines have no where else to grow.The other thing is, we currently treat alternate timelines as independent numbered Earths, based on the fact that Jaxon's alternate timeline became Earth-295.
In the main cosmology rejected earths simply sink down into the dark multiverse. It's hard to say where, if anywhere, the alternate timelines would be or are. The whole idea around Zero Hour was collapsing those timelines down. Anything we could say about timelines in DC is just going to depend on what source you are looking at and what era.These 52 Earths are locked off from any other earth, so where do these alternate branches expand?
I think the worlds within worlds are valid in DeMatteis cosmology but not in the cosmological interpretation handled by Morrison, Snyder, Tynion, and Williamson.Another example of it following Many Worlds interpretation is Spectre vol 4 #27
"Each choice spins out a new chain of events, a world, a universe"
Thanks for the clarification. I still think that these infinite universes/timelines are within Hypertime and were only truly part of the multiverse since the end of Death Metal, when each iteration of the multiverse was rendered into a web of infinite multiverses constituting a small Omniverse. Anyway, I'm not going to argue either.Minor correction: worlds within worlds from Spectre vol 2 #7 is from Doug Moenech.
I think the infinite multiverse/MWI was mentioned in Earth 2 World's End #1 by Marguerite Bennett, Mike Johnson, and Daniel H. Wilson and I think a few other places.
I personally always interpreted it as the "Bleed" of a universe holds the timelines, but I'm not arguing for or against it.
Not exactly. They don't collapse, they blend into one singular timeline.
I'm not sure why or how this comic would be of particular relevance. The writer of this comic only wrote this comic and a brief Aquaman run for DC. It doesn't appear to be in any continuity specifically and isn't a good source for how DC actually works.Another point that I'd also bring up is The Next, which also explicitly mentions the concept of the "Metaverse"
Our rules for author statements are that they must be supported by in-comic evidence.As for Elizios comments: I would have made that assumption if the editor himself didn't say that they were within the earths, it just seems like ignoring that piece of evidence even though it would make the most sense.
What quote are you referring to? I don't see anything that says something like that.
I believe we’re waiting for Ultima to discuss this more with Deagonx, when they both have the time.when apply
Aka, in 2025.I believe we’re waiting for Ultima to discuss this more with Deagonx, when they both have the time.
We are all finna be on wheelchairs when Ultima finishes his debate with DT.
the prophecyOHMIGOD IS ULTIMA UPGRADING DC AND UNDOING THE HORRIFIC DOWNGRADES