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An upgrade for The Presence

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Most of this post kinda misrepresents what I said, like the extrapolation that a difference between God and Creation implies a difference in God himself (a non-sequitur), or the idea that my post was concerned with the theology of the Tier 0 and not the theology of creation itself, so I'll more-or-less advise you to reread my post a little bit more carefully.
No, I didn't misinterpret what you said. I was expanding upon a point of how theology wouldn't matter in any case because all you said was there's a difference and I clarified there is and it wouldn't matter, regardless. So I wasn't making a counterpoint for anything, I was really going on the differences that can still lead to 0.
Though, this part was interesting, since it highlights the shortsight you have to what I'm talking about:


Yeah so, you seem to (still) believe that I am calling the Voice itself as a composite, finite creature, Tier 0, which is evident in the fact that you immediately resort to the Divine person of the Son instead of acknowledging the unity of agencies at hand here, or comparing the Voice and the Presence to Arianism (?), despite earlier you agreeing that they share the same agency. So the comparison here, obviously, wouldn't make much sense.
Yeah…….no. I wasn't at all agreeing that the Presence and the Voice are one and the same. The Presence itself being the agency and through which the Voice as as an intermediary agent as a focal point within Creation does not abstinent the Presence being the whole outside Creation and not mutable within existence outside of said agent “the Voice.” So, if anything you misread me there which boils down to our definition of an agency and its linking agent.
The hypostatic union, acknowledges that Christ has a Divine nature and a human nature, as such, Jesus qua human is obviously not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, but Jesus qua God, is. As such, this extends to, but is not limited to, the Will of Christ as well, with the orthodox christological position being that Christ has a human will, and a Divine will, and this Divine will is omnipotent, omniscient, ect.

The analogy here while correcting your earlier comparison would be kind-of obvious, the Voice in and of itself isn't Tier 0, but the very fact that it possesses the Divine will of God, is what makes it Tier 0 and redundant anyway.
Possessing a “part of 0” doesn't make you 0. That's as simple as it gets which is something a toddler could understand. Like I said earlier you're making things that are not made precedent by the Wiki.
Anyhow: Is it possible to reverse this key in this thread or do you need to make a new thread, because this argument would be useless if it was the latter.
You can certainly make a new thread sharing your opposing view which I suggest. You debliertaly derailing this thread due to ignorance in the understanding of how High 1-A+ and 0 works is the problem.
 
Also, if Ant could make some sort of separation for the keys. I'll be busy fixing some powers and abilities for some DC-outdated profiles.
 
@Antvasima I think it's best to remove The Voice key from The Presence's profile for now since the main point of this thread has been accepted.
Okay. Feel free to do so then.

I will unlock our wiki page for The Presence if it has not been unlocked already, so you can edit it. 🙏
Also, if Ant could make some sort of separation for the keys. I'll be busy fixing some powers and abilities for some DC-outdated profiles.
Do you mean in the powers and abilities section, so different cosmologies are not mashed together there? Unfortunately I don't have sufficient free time for that, but would very much appreciate help from other members with that task. 🙏
 
I may not be the best person to answer this question, but the comic book material is a more reliable source. I think as long as it doesn't contradict what's been established in the comics, it should fine.
The Source has always been regarded as the divine power of God. Morrison depicted it as the highest sphere of cosmology and aspect of God, often referred to as the white room known as Ain Soph Aur.
Not only at all, Source is purity of all possible existences in current canon, In that case, the Source would be a part of God, but I perceive God as the Overvoid. This aligns with Morrison referring to the Overvoid as God in the IGN interview.
 
The Source has always been regarded as the divine power of God. Morrison depicted it as the highest sphere of cosmology and aspect of God, often referred to as the white room known as Ain Soph Aur.

Not only at all, Source is purity of all possible existences in current canon, In that case, the Source would be a part of God, but I perceive God as the Overvoid. This aligns with Morrison referring to the Overvoid as God in the IGN interview.
The Overvoid and The Source have always been the same according to Grant Morrison. Now it is even more obvious because The Overvoid and The Source are currently synonymous with The Light of Creation.
 
Is GReat light from animal man anywhere mentioned in DC comics ? Im pretty sure Grant morrison referred to it as the canvas of creation similar to overvoid
 
The Overvoid and The Source have always been the same according to Grant Morrison. Now it is even more obvious because The Overvoid and The Source are currently synonymous with The Light of Creation.
Is Great darkness stronger than the light . He referred to it as the flickering candle in the ocean
 
Is GReat light from animal man anywhere mentioned in DC comics ? Im pretty sure Grant morrison referred to it as the canvas of creation similar to overvoid
It's not confirmed but the flimsy white fabric behind each universe mentioned in Infinite Frontier: Secret Files that could be the Great Light mentioned in Animal Man. It's possible but nothing was confirmed.
 
Overvoid should get another key from vertigo cosmology
Is this what you mean?

 
Is Great darkness stronger than the light . He referred to it as the flickering candle in the ocean
The Great Darkness should be stronger than The Light, yes. The Great Darkness said multiple times that it would snuff out The Light and its scream cracked (or made a flaw within) the once immaculate perfection of The Light.
 
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A notable feat for The Light is that its expansion made the Great Darkness scream in pain.
 
Yes, it is.

We see in the Final Crisis that the Source and Overvoid were one and the same.

We see in Justice League Incarnate that the Overvoid and the Light were one and the same.

We see in Flash that the Light and Source were one and the same.
I created a thread about Overvoid and Source aren't same entity. Just because there are multiple keywords, Overvoid was stated to be transparent page and Source was stated to be white page which Morrison described it as " Sort of God ". Not only at all, Morrison's affirmation stated that Source is an aspect of God and Overvoid was stated to be God itself.

Morrison said that Source and Overvoid are same, just because Overvoid can be anything. God? God's mind? Source? Or even a void? They are focusing on one point and that point is Overvoid.

JLI#4 the flaw case actually conflict with multiverse timeline and previous origins. Overvoid noticed existence of the flaw after multiverse was created for billions of years but JLI #4 stated that the multiverse formed after the flaw appeared, which is contradiction and not only that, most of cases in JLI#4 contradicted with previous origins too.

If the Source was stated to be light, Presence would be same position along with the Presence.
 
I created a thread about Overvoid and Source aren't same entity. Just because there are multiple keywords, Overvoid was stated to be transparent page and Source was stated to be white page which Morrison described it as " Sort of God ". Not only at all, Morrison's affirmation stated that Source is an aspect of God and Overvoid was stated to be God itself.

Morrison said that Source and Overvoid are same, just because Overvoid can be anything. God? God's mind? Source? Or even a void? They are focusing on one point and that point is Overvoid.

JLI#4 the flaw case actually conflict with multiverse timeline and previous origins. Overvoid noticed existence of the flaw after multiverse was created for billions of years but JLI #4 stated that the multiverse formed after the flaw appeared, which is contradiction and not only that, most of cases in JLI#4 contradicted with previous origins too.

If the Source was stated to be light, Presence would be same position along with the Presence.
I'll address your points in the thread you've made. This thread is already done, no need to derail it.
 
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