An upgrade for The Presence

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Most of this post kinda misrepresents what I said, like the extrapolation that a difference between God and Creation implies a difference in God himself (a non-sequitur), or the idea that my post was concerned with the theology of the Tier 0 and not the theology of creation itself, so I'll more-or-less advise you to reread my post a little bit more carefully.

No, I didn't misinterpret what you said. I was expanding upon a point of how theology wouldn't matter in any case because all you said was there's a difference and I clarified there is and it wouldn't matter, regardless. So I wasn't making a counterpoint for anything, I was really going on the differences that can still lead to 0.

Though, this part was interesting, since it highlights the shortsight you have to what I'm talking about:


Yeah so, you seem to (still) believe that I am calling the Voice itself as a composite, finite creature, Tier 0, which is evident in the fact that you immediately resort to the Divine person of the Son instead of acknowledging the unity of agencies at hand here, or comparing the Voice and the Presence to Arianism (?), despite earlier you agreeing that they share the same agency. So the comparison here, obviously, wouldn't make much sense.

Yeah…….no. I wasn't at all agreeing that the Presence and the Voice are one and the same. The Presence itself being the agency and through which the Voice as as an intermediary agent as a focal point within Creation does not abstinent the Presence being the whole outside Creation and not mutable within existence outside of said agent “the Voice.” So, if anything you misread me there which boils down to our definition of an agency and its linking agent.

The hypostatic union, acknowledges that Christ has a Divine nature and a human nature, as such, Jesus qua human is obviously not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, but Jesus qua God, is. As such, this extends to, but is not limited to, the Will of Christ as well, with the orthodox christological position being that Christ has a human will, and a Divine will, and this Divine will is omnipotent, omniscient, ect.

The analogy here while correcting your earlier comparison would be kind-of obvious, the Voice in and of itself isn't Tier 0, but the very fact that it possesses the Divine will of God, is what makes it Tier 0 and redundant anyway.

Possessing a “part of 0” doesn't make you 0. That's as simple as it gets which is something a toddler could understand. Like I said earlier you're making things that are not made precedent by the Wiki.

Anyhow: Is it possible to reverse this key in this thread or do you need to make a new thread, because this argument would be useless if it was the latter.

You can certainly make a new thread sharing your opposing view which I suggest. You debliertaly derailing this thread due to ignorance in the understanding of how High 1-A+ and 0 works is the problem.

 

[Elizio33]

@Antvasima I think it's best to remove The Voice key from The Presence's profile for now since the main point of this thread has been accepted.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Also, if Ant could make some sort of separation for the keys. I'll be busy fixing some powers and abilities for some DC-outdated profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima I think it's best to remove The Voice key from The Presence's profile for now since the main point of this thread has been accepted.

Okay. Feel free to do so then.

I will unlock our wiki page for The Presence if it has not been unlocked already, so you can edit it.

Also, if Ant could make some sort of separation for the keys. I'll be busy fixing some powers and abilities for some DC-outdated profiles.

Do you mean in the powers and abilities section, so different cosmologies are not mashed together there? Unfortunately I don't have sufficient free time for that, but would very much appreciate help from other members with that task.