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[Swanyee9t76]

I think we should update the Crisis Cosmology section with this new information.

* The Great Darkness is a self-referential void that can only be referenced through an opposite and that opposite is The Source. Total darkness can only be defined as an absence of light and life and The Source is thus the untainted and incomprehensible purity in all existences.

Where does it say that void is the great darkness? Let’s break it down the paragraph shall we?

“The Source, I theorize, is a product of a self-referential void. The great darkness could only reter to itseli hrough the presence of another. For total darkness can only be defined as an absence of light... of life.”

This posits a fundamental relationship between the self-referential void, the Source, and the Great Darkness. At its core, it reflects the idea that the void is the ultimate origin of all existence, while the Great Darkness and the Source are expressions of the void’s infinite potential. Let’s unpack what this means step by step:

1. The Self-Referential Void: The True Origin

The self-referential void is a concept that describes a state of infinite potential—a reality beyond all oppositions, contradictions, and limitations.


• It is non-dual: neither light nor dark, neither life nor death.


• It is self-aware in a way that generates everything but cannot itself be defined as anything.

In this, the void is the primordial reality. Everything—including light (Source) and darkness (Great Darkness)—emerges from it as a reflection of its boundless creative power.

2. The Source as a Product of the Void

The Source, often viewed as the fountainhead of creation in DC cosmology, represents light, life, and order. Your statement, “The Source is a product of a self-referential void,” means that the Source is a manifestation of the void’s generative power.


• The void gave “birth” to the Source as the light of existence—the creative force that establishes life, structure, and meaning.


• The Source is, therefore, not the ultimate origin but a secondary expression of the void. It operates within creation, embodying order and illuminating existence.

3. The Great Darkness as a Reactive Force

The Great Darkness, in contrast, represents absence—the absence of light, life, and order. This aligns with this statement that “total darkness can only be defined as an absence of light… of life.”


• The Great Darkness cannot exist on its own. It is dependent on the Source (light) for its definition. Without light, there is no darkness.


• It is not an independent force like the void but a shadow or reaction that arises when light manifests.

4. Light and Darkness: The Duality Born from the Void

In this, the self-referential void does not directly create light or darkness—it generates a state of duality where both can arise.


• Light (Source) emerges first, as a manifestation of life and order.


• Darkness (Great Darkness) follows, not as a creation of the void but as a necessary opposite to light.

This duality—light versus dark, creation versus destruction—defines much of DC cosmology. However, both are lesser forces compared to the void, which transcends and encompasses both.

5. The Key Insight: The Great Darkness Cannot Exist Alone

This statement, “The Great Darkness could only refer to itself through the presence of another,” highlights a critical limitation of the Great Darkness.


• The void is self-referential—it exists in and of itself, without the need for external validation or definition.


• The Great Darkness, however, is relational. It can only exist in contrast to light. Darkness is meaningless unless light exists to create a standard for its absence.

This dependency makes the Great Darkness subordinate to both the Source and the void:


1. To the Source: Because light defines it.


2. To the void: Because the void generates the system in which light and dark operate.

6. The Philosophical Implication

This theory establishes a hierarchy of reality in DC cosmology:


1. The Void: The ultimate origin and reality. It is beyond duality and opposition, existing as pure potential and self-awareness.


2. The Source: A manifestation of the void, representing light, life, and creation. It is the first dualistic expression of the void’s potential.


3. The Great Darkness: A shadow or reaction to the Source. It represents absence, death, and destruction but depends on the Source for its existence.

In essence, this means that while the Great Darkness is powerful and primal, it is not the ultimate reality. The void’s self-referential nature proves its supremacy—it is the source of all, including the duality of light and dark.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Hate to break it to you but TGD said dark crisis, not every crisis. Thus your point of JLI being false information is completely invalid

Yes every crisis, read dark crisis: deadly green, the great darkness literally said all he did is sitting in the dark and doing nothing but looking at life (light) with fascination. Beside in death metal: multiverse end, perpetua is directly stated to be mother of all crisis. Perpetua is still canon now as her name is mentioned in “all in” dc comic current runs.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Are you having reading comprehension?? The source is a product of self referential void. This line is followed up this line. The great darkness could only refer to itself through an absence of another. This void is clearly The great darkness.

Nope read my explanation on other replies

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Not anymore, that was like three or four years ago. Outdated. As long as source is the light, it will be not equal to the presence who brought the light

Only said God bring the light and currently we are seeing who that God is. It is overvoid. Since scott is still in dc comic and running now.

 

[Weaver261]

Yes every crisis, read dark crisis: deadly green, the great darkness literally said all he did is sitting in the dark and doing nothing but looking at life (light) with fascination. Beside in death metal: multiverse end, perpetua is directly stated to be mother of all crisis. Perpetua is still canon now as her name is mentioned in “all in” dc comic current runs.

That panel is from deadly green. The great darkness didn't say he did nothing but looking at life. What TGD said was he has nothing but fascination to life meaning he doesn't want to destroy life but rather want to understand it. This doesn't mean he did nothing or he has no hands in past crisis.

Perpetua being the mother of all crisis was rectonned by JLI already.

 

[Weaver261]

Only said God bring the light and currently we are seeing who that God is. It is overvoid. Since scott is still in dc comic and running now.

God is literally the presence. Which kind of god say "let there be light" ?? The presence is christian god. Let there be light comes from the genesis iirc. Moreover the overvoid is the result of light grewing in the great darkness. JLI #4 clearly showed that.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I see it comes down to actual reading comprehension which you seemingly lack. Here is the explanation in another thread going over whom the self-referential void is and worhactual evidence from the stories:

Post in thread 'DC Crisis Cosmology: Update — Source & Great Darkness'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-crisis-cosmology-update-source-great-darkness.176468/post-6951075

Post in thread 'DC Crisis Cosmology: Update — Source & Great Darkness'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-crisis-cosmology-update-source-great-darkness.176468/post-6951230

Post in thread 'DC Crisis Cosmology: Update — Source & Great Darkness'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-crisis-cosmology-update-source-great-darkness.176468/post-6951329

I recommend you read them.

This posits a fundamental relationship between the self-referential void, the Source, and the Great Darkness. At its core, it reflects the idea that the void is the ultimate origin of all existence, while the Great Darkness and the Source are expressions of the void’s infinite potential. Let’s unpack what this means step by step:

It doesn't say that at all. Especially considering the Source came from the Darkness which sums up “product of a self-referential void” which was the Darkness prior to the light of creation as a void of nothingness.

1. The Self-Referential Void: The True Origin

The self-referential void is a concept that describes a state of infinite potential—a reality beyond all oppositions, contradictions, and limitations.

It does not mean that. It means it was referenced to being a void that can be described by its nature. You're overcomplicating stuff and randomly making things that were not said.

• It is non-dual: neither light nor dark, neither life nor death.


• It is self-aware in a way that generates everything but cannot itself be defined as anything.

The Darkness was that prior to the Light.

In this, the void is the primordial reality. Everything—including light (Source) and darkness (Great Darkness)—emerges from it as a reflection of its boundless creative power.

It never said anything along these lines. The Source emerged from the Darkness and the Darkness was an eternal nothingness preceding the Light of Creation.

2. The Source as a Product of the Void

The Source, often viewed as the fountainhead of creation in DC cosmology, represents light, life, and order. Your statement, “The Source is a product of a self-referential void,” means that the Source is a manifestation of the void’s generative power.

The Void didn't give it “power” nothing suggest this. It simply say the Source was a “product” of it meaning it came from that Void. Which its highlighted in four different sources that it was the Darkness from which the Source came.

• The void gave “birth” to the Source as the light of existence—the creative force that establishes life, structure, and meaning.

Yeah, the Light/Source came from the Source. It wasn't directly created by it. Since that goes to the Presence.

• The Source is, therefore, not the ultimate origin but a secondary expression of the void. It operates within creation, embodying order and illuminating existence.

Again, this was never said. You're making things up.

3. The Great Darkness as a Reactive Force

The Great Darkness, in contrast, represents absence—the absence of light, life, and order. This aligns with this statement that “total darkness can only be defined as an absence of light… of life.”

Darkness existed prior to the Light. It didn't come in the same time as the Light. How can you forget that darkness far existed in eternities before the Light was made?

• The Great Darkness cannot exist on its own. It is dependent on the Source (light) for its definition. Without light, there is no darkness.

I’ll have you know the darkness was “nothing and everything” and by itself before the Light. So it being named “darkness” is because of the light yet it did exists as an eternal canvas of nothing for a very long time before the Light was born in defiance it it like it mentioned in Deadly Green.

• It is not an independent force like the void but a shadow or reaction that arises when light manifests.

4. Light and Darkness: The Duality Born from the Void

In this, the self-referential void does not directly create light or darkness—it generates a state of duality where both can arise.

It absolutely does not say this. Headcanon.

• Light (Source) emerges first, as a manifestation of life and order.


• Darkness (Great Darkness) follows, not as a creation of the void but as a necessary opposite to light.

The Darkness already existed before the Light. The Light didn't create it, how can you ignore the many statement saying the darkness existed before light? It's an easy concept to understand that darkness predates life and light.

This duality—light versus dark, creation versus destruction—defines much of DC cosmology. However, both are lesser forces compared to the void, which transcends and encompasses both.

5. The Key Insight: The Great Darkness Cannot Exist Alone

This statement, “The Great Darkness could only refer to itself through the presence of another,” highlights a critical limitation of the Great Darkness.

It doesn't because you say it is.

• The void is self-referential—it exists in and of itself, without the need for external validation or definition.


• The Great Darkness, however, is relational. It can only exist in contrast to light. Darkness is meaningless unless light exists to create a standard for its absence.

This dependency makes the Great Darkness subordinate to both the Source and the void:

Making things up again.

1. To the Source: Because light defines it.


2. To the void: Because the void generates the system in which light and dark operate.

6. The Philosophical Implication

This theory establishes a hierarchy of reality in DC cosmology:


1. The Void: The ultimate origin and reality. It is beyond duality and opposition, existing as pure potential and self-awareness.


2. The Source: A manifestation of the void, representing light, life, and creation. It is the first dualistic expression of the void’s potential.


3. The Great Darkness: A shadow or reaction to the Source. It represents absence, death, and destruction but depends on the Source for its existence.

In essence, this means that while the Great Darkness is powerful and primal, it is not the ultimate reality. The void’s self-referential nature proves its supremacy—it is the source of all, including the duality of light and dark.

The Void was never pitted as “supreme” just older than the Source which the Darkness is indeed older than the Source.