Is there some other reason? I read through almost the whole storyline and still couldn't find an exact reason other than her possibly being winded.
I personally think she is extremely weak to use her power, that's why she says she has to recharge her power. If her power was already back and she uses all of it in destroying a single Universe then how can she recharge? Does she has an infinte source of power lying around
That's the conclusion I came to. Even when out of the Source Wall she was still weak from being trapped in it for so long. However some don't really except this explanation which means we'd have to leave the feat as an outlier. Since Perpetua has to much multiversal scaling and feats to be considered universal.
Plus it's stated that beings like Anti monitor, perpetua and world forger are extremely weaker in The multivese than they are in the 6th Dimension. So I don't know why people would think the Universal thing applies to 6th Dimension?
Again, once he left the multiverse he would exist simultaneously during all eras of the multiverse. But like you said, we know his multiverse was infinite.
Yeah, gotcha. I think my point is more that all of them receive that endowment, but they don't have it from birth, since Perpetua was sent with the raw materials and connective energy to make the multiverse, as well as entrusted with the Seven Energies of the Universe.
It shouldn't be accepted, because Perpetua herself says otherwise.
No, she does not.
Because if she could simply Ctrl+Alt+Delete the multiverse by going to the Sixth Dimension, she would have simply done so.
The simple fact is, if this information were "incredibly basic" there'd be a direct scan available explaining it, yet this arrangement you are describing has never been shown in DC Comics. The "local" multiverse is the DC Multiverse, and that's a term that was only used once in Multiversity and then completely ignored in the Perpetua storyline.
In other words, "it doesn't take an Einstein to make the assumption I made." Calling the multiverse endless doesn't mean it has infinite universes, and even if it did, that one piece of information from a DeMatteis Phantom Stranger comic wouldn't override a dozen scans from Snyder saying otherwise, particularly since this is Snyder's character.
1. Again, that context does not necessitate infinite universes, and even if it did, that wouldn't be superior evidence to the mother of the multiverse saying directly otherwise and her entire storyline hinging upon there being a finite number of universes.
That isn't what she said. She said "all but a fraction of my power has been returned to me." This means the amount of power between where she is now and her "full power" is relatively small.
She had received an amp prior to the fight, and there were only six universes left. That's 3 for her, 3 for TDK. Still 2-C.
Mxy himself has very very few feats of destroying a universe, and most of them are quite old.
So your "too many examples" is two examples, of her threatening 6 universes in tandem with TDK, and scaling above a wildly inconsistent gag character in Mxy?
What is the problem with this, exactly?
The Crisis energy she was receiving from the Dark Multiverse. But even if that was their base power, thats still 2-C
It proves that scaling above Mxy does not necessitate that she is multiversal.
What? I only read comics, I have very little vested interested in any other battleboarding genres. This is just how strong the characters have said they are and shown themselves to be.
He didn’t say infinite though. He said endless. Which does qualify for 2-B iirc.
I do'nt care! Your opening post is still objectively incorrect in your complete and utter dismissal of everything but the lowest possible interpretation of the characters and your refusal to ignore anything but the current storyline to discuss PErpetua.
^^^ This. All this.
Hypertime is Low 1-C as a minimum and there are dozens of statements clarifying that the DC Multiverse actually has infinite universes beyond the local 52.
New Gods come from a kind of Platonic, archetypal world. Everything you brought up would be contradicted, retconned or irrelevant (since a realm looking physical doesn't mean that it necessarily is). The main point was also that it's a higher plane of existence than the Bleed and not the metaphysical stuff.
We had an entire thread to basically confirm that a timeline is essentially a space-time continuum. I can give you the quote from the guy who made the tiering system if you want.
Outliers for the league, let's hope they keep being outliers unless we want Low1-C/1-A Superman. In fact Pre-Crisis Supes doesn't even scale to 2-B Darkseid currently due to being considered an outlier.
I will refer you to this part of PrinceOfTheMorning's blog. Where it is stated Hypertime does in fact connect all cosmologies/all parts of DC, which can also be seen in Flash War. You could even argue Hypertime binds The Sphere of The Gods, I am pretty uncertain however on the context of this scan.
If you believe there's a double standard, go get those verses downgraded for the sake of consistency.
I don't care if he disagrees with his own blog tbh. The blog still has excellent knowledge and actual textual evidence that nobody has refuted. IT's just "Oh he doesn't agree with it anymore."
So does that mean that we judge the cosmology by who writes it for a given time like we mentioned earlier?
What you think regarding Marvel and DC has proven time and again to be unreliable.
I’ve seen your conversation with him when he left (you showed it last time), I didn’t see him saying that he didn’t wanna keep one cosmology. (Also DC is a mess indeed but downgrading everything to like 2-C will just create an even bigger headache)
Also where is it said he doesn’t agree with his own blog even? He basically pulled an Oliver where he’s like this is too much work to properly do on VSBW.
I mean, I think it's still worth noting. If he thinks that all of the interpretations can't be applied as one composite cosmology, that kind of says something about how we should scale the characters. I'm not familiar enough with DC to say how, though lol
I've only ever seen something that could imply this, not directly stated, nor to which degree they can't be composited.
Look, if I can actively push for downgrading Tenchi Muyo from tier 0 to 1-B for the sake of accuracy, accept that One Piece is rated very low, and endure that a nihilistic cosmic horror series like the Cthulhu Mythos is ranked highest in the wiki, you can certainly endure admitting that our DC Comics (and to a lesser degree Marvel) scaling has enormous inconsistencies with individual writer interpretations of the cosmology.
From what I recall, we talked about it elsewhere.
Well, speaking as somebody who has read a massive amount of stories with these characters, several of the DC and Marvel cosmic entities that we give the highest statistics are not currently portrayed at anywhere near such levels as far as I am aware.
You need to stop this. You preface every single argument with "as a person who knows more than you uncultured swines my opinion is fact" and then you never provide a single shred of evidence for your claims.
It is proof that I am making an active effort to strive for accuracy in general. It is my main focus and aim in my work for this wiki after all. I am not driven by my dislike for the current editorial management of the storylines of the companies. I am driven by that I genuinely strongly disagree with your interpretation of the scaling, think that we give some of the highest rated characters extreme preferential treatment, and that the statistics do not make almost any sense for them.
