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  • Hello AKM, listen, can you link the blog/topic where it was determined that SSj1's multiplier do increase after the Frieza Saga?

    Since i want to see exactly the evidence behind the claim, as i have my own doubts about the matter.
    Stefano4444
    Stefano4444
    But based of what evidence? That is what i want to see.

    Power levels had be dropped at that point in the story, so its not like the SSj1 had be given different multipliers during the series.

    Using 2nd Grade and 3rd Grade don't work either as those two forms from a different branch, they existence do not change the regular SSj1 or make it stronger.

    And SSj1 Full Power is just a SSj1 more energy efficient, as it doesn't consume as much stamina as regular SSj1 and it lack negative emotions.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    SSJ1 full power is not basic SSJ. SSJ Grade 2 is literally a stronger and faster form than SSJ Grade 1, and Grade 4 is even above that. Whether it is above Grade 3 or not is debatable.
    Stefano4444
    Stefano4444
    SSJ1 full power is not basic SSJ.

    SSj1 Full Power is what i'm usually referring to SSj1 4th Grade, i'm just more used to called it in that way.

    SSJ Grade 2 is literally a stronger and faster form than SSJ Grade 1, and Grade 4 is even above that. Whether it is above Grade 3 or not is debatable.

    But that is not what it was stated or even implied in the series, Manga or Anime.

    The entire point of SSj1 4th Grade is to be a form that more efficient in combat by consuming less energy, not necessarely more powerful.

    Cell Saga Goku power's increase was not because SSj1 4th Grade give a greater power boost than SSj1, but because of his training done in the ROSAT.

    You're treating all those forms like a linear scale, each necessarely stronger than the other.

    SSj1 < SSj1 2nd Grade < SSj1 3rd Grade < SSj1 4th Grade < SSj2 < SSj3.

    While in truth SSj1 2nd Grade and SSj1 4th Grade should be treated as different branches of the regular SSj1 with their own perks.

    With SSj1 2nd Grade be about power output while SSj1 4th Grade be about energy efficiency, while SSj1 3rd Grade is the extreme version of SSj1 2nd Grade.

    Which seen to be the case since both Cabba and Caulifla didn't need to learn SSj1 4th Grade become reaching SSj2.

    So it should something more like this:

    SSj1 2nd Grade < SSj1 3rd Grade

    |
    SSj1 < SSj2 < SSj3
    |
    v
    SSj1 4th Grade

    I think Carthu’s Dojo's video about the matter explain better than me.

    Hi, you seem to be able to change names, so I recently changed my Name to ImNot4nUser on Fandom and I would like to change it here too.
    Heya there, sorry to bother you (especially with something as controversial as DMC) but I kinda need help and staff members.

    You see, we have a crt for the verse and it is quite a big one that will change a lot (hax more than anything) and some of those are quite the jump in power so I wanted to know if you chould check it and give your opinion as that would help a lot.

    thread:
    Fixing some missing scans/broken links and some haxs additions for Devil May Cry | Page 2 | VS Battles Wiki Forum

    blog/sandbox:
    User:Mister6ame6/Sandbox | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

    Everything is in the sandbox so if you can check that one first, thanks in advance and sorry for bothering.
    Eyyo, I accidentally replied on staff discussion, I'm really sorry that I gave my opinion about it, so I deleted my message.
    Hello, sorry to bother you again, but could you unlock this page, some abilities such as resistance to time manipulation were not added even though they were accepted in this thread.
    Hello. Could you please give input on this thread? The supporters are all fine with it but I want to be sure before applying any changes.
    Hi, please reply in this thread if you have time. I am trying to get more staff, circular debates are pointless. Especially with such non controversial matter.
    Basically, Boros's justification is made up.
    Hmm but isn't it appeal to popularity either way? Its just of a lesser extent. A much lesser extent since not only can the normal members not comment, but only the staff can apparently. And there is a chance the staff members could comment without actually reading its entirety. The differential with imade's arguments when it comes to kudos are usually 2x-5x which could drastically change the scales since a lot of them are normal users. But yes I think anybody can really just say i agree with those points without diving too much into detail. I didn't even read everything, but i didn't really kudos anything just read. Cause its not really fair and I'm lazy. That Sigurd person seems knowledgeable on the threads i did see him in, but he's not allowed to give input since imade is more knowledgeable than he is. So that would really be one extra person, and another extra person so on then you probably get a ratio of 20-7. The kukui person seems to get like 3-7 at most when Imade got like 18-20 on his first rebuttal.
    Hi, certain real life profiles haven't had their matches section to reflect the forum move. I'm not sure why that is, but Ant told me to contact you about it.
    Hello, could you kindly review this thread. It is incredibly close to being finished and your input would be greatly appreciated
    hi i'm a supporter of the hclw verse and recently there is a feat performed that could raise some characters tiers, to whom should i ask to calculate the feat?
    i have some problems with my account, my main account is BarkB0rk123 but i can't login here with it.
    And with this accoun't i can't log in into the old vsbattles wiki.
    wat can i do that i can use my main account BarkB0rk123?
    I have tried multiple times to login here but can't...
    Hoi, AKM could i ask you to check this for a bit as a HR member:


    In that CRT, there are a lot of points left to discuss. 1 of them being "Dante tanks a particle beam". This however only happens in gameplay if the player doesn't dodge the particle beam as in cutscenes (the primary canon of the game) he chooses to put barriers in front of him to block the same attack instead of just getting hit. My issues are:

    1. "Gameplay for any game is always canon" isn't a standard currently however ppl are saying that since other games treat gameplay as canon i have to make a CRT to debunk it all at once (which i personally do not get, as each game has its own circumstances regarding gameplay and should be discussed on a case by case). Do you think i have to make this CRT to include all of them or can this be discussed case by case?

    2. That was only 1 of the things that was being discussed. Because @Theglassman12 did not like that 1 point, he completely closed the thread despite me and other people (glass included) having been discussing other points of the CRT that have no relation to the gameplay thing. Could you check this behavior as closing a CRT cus a staff member doesn't like 1 of the 10 points being discussed doesn't seem like a good reason and feels to me like power abuse.
    Hey AKM. Mr. Bambu commented on my calc. He said timeframe is iffy but math's alright. Does this count as being accepted?
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    If the timeframe is iffy, you need to create a CRT discussing what could be a better timeframe. If it goes well, then you can apply it.
    Da_Lunge_Fish
    Da_Lunge_Fish
    So, I should make a CRT with this feat, asking people if the timeframe works?
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    Yes, and if this feat is fine to apply.
    Uhm, hey how can I change my username?
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    You'll have to change your fandom username for it, and you can only do it once. I'd personally advise against it.
    Hey, could you aid in the endeavor that is this CRT?

    It is a lot of content to review, admittedly, but I put hundreds of hours into it and would appreciate it if you could give it a once over.

    Thank you
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    You weren't kidding when you said that's a lot of stuff to review. You can try pinging other mods and knowledgeable members on the thread itself and I will try to take a look when I get enough free time. I am caught up between several other things atm.
    Warren_Valion
    Warren_Valion
    Yeah. I've been working on this for months, it's my magnum opus.

    I've already contacted numerous other mods, but thanks though.

    And thank you.
    You mind re-opening the thread you closed for no reason. Or giving me some sort of explanation... Or am I supposed to blindly accept a staff action that silences open discussion on a public form site?
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    People already gave reasons on the thread and on the RVRT. It is not the first time this was brought up even if you changed the OP later. And tier 2 Naruto isn't happening here. You can go to other open public forum sites if you want to have that discussion.
    Arc7Kuroi
    Arc7Kuroi
    You know there was a discussion rule saying tier 2 Bleach wasn’t happening either, but here I came.

    AFAIK the only banned Naruto discussion is Kaguya’s ETSO. So, so what it’s been discussed before, I haven’t been here before.

    Regarding the compositing, link me the rules so I can ensure it isn’t compositing, but I fixed it to not be compositing. So I fail to see why your “yeah no” justifies closing it.
    Yo, could I change my username from "MaverickIsTheHype" to "ZoroNotZolo"? I changed my name in Fandom and wanted to change my name here to match that.
    Hey AKM, I hope I’m not bothering you, but I was recommended to change my username to the one I had previously in the Wiki, I was previously “The_Narrator_of_Narratives” so I was wondering if you couldn’t help me with this =)
    In this Thread, Ant was talking about improving the Immeasurable speed rating to minimise the amount of wrongly given out ratings and CRTs created based off wrong assumptions. I suggest this based on Dragon's post and Ant said I should take it to you.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    It seems there was a misunderstanding. I wasn't planning to revise/remove immeasurable speed. It's a WIP but my concern was only for characters who are a certain speed normally, but get an extra immeasurable rating just because they travel through time.
    Hey AKM. I saw your recent response in the starry sky thread, but I have an issue with it. I’m messaging you here about it so the thread stays staff only and I don’t have much else right now to add in.

    I agree with this. Not every starry visual effect should automatically be considered as real stars just because "if it looks like a duck it must be a duck". A blatant example of this would be Toppo using the destruction energy that gave the world of void a clear starry sky effect, but it was basically just a void. Any such feat should be scrutinized according to the above points.
    The only thing from Matts argument I don’t agree with is not taking every starry feat first as automatically real stars. In order for us to deny the legitimacy of the stars, we need to first be given a reason to think they aren’t real stars. Otherwise, we take a leap in logic that unnecessarily goes against the Occams Razor. Outer space, black background, white dots come. What’s the first impressions we reasonably get? That they are stars. Something else needs to come up to suggest aren’t real stars.

    The Toppo example isn’t a real fair comparison to this since, in his case, things do come up and suggest his feat doesn’t produce real stars. You yourself admit this:

    Reason: It’s in a void. A void isn’t a normal universe, dimension or reality, which clearly means the Wov doesn’t have an outer space environment that normally houses real stars. And we know there’s no literal outer space since everyone not named Zen’o, the GoDs or Angels wouldn't have survived in the tournament without air.

    Since it happened in a void, the feat automatically axed itself as being real stars, which of course means we won’t accept it. The example in itself isn’t wrong at all.

    I just don’t agree that we need a reason to consider the stars real first. What should be first is a reason to not consider them real.
    ProfessorKukui4Life
    ProfessorKukui4Life
    "What is that explanation? We have been given zero explanation."

    I gave this explanation in my original message:

    "Reason: It’s in a void. A void isn’t a normal universe, dimension or reality, which clearly means the Wov doesn’t have an outer space environment that normally houses real stars. And we know there’s no literal outer space since everyone not named Zen’o, the GoDs or Angels wouldn't have survived in the tournament without air."

    And in in the reply section:

    "Basically, my point is this:

    Character A creates reality -> Reality displays starry background -> Nothing in the scene says its fake -> We take it as real by default

    Character B creates reality -> Reality displays starry background -> The scene suggests its fake because conflicting evidence is present within the feat itself -> We reject the feat

    In Toppos case, he is Character B."
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    Reason: It’s in a void. A void isn’t a normal universe, dimension or reality, which clearly means the Wov doesn’t have an outer space environment that normally houses real stars. And we know there’s no literal outer space since everyone not named Zen’o, the GoDs or Angels wouldn't have survived in the tournament without air.
    You see, we don't know that. All we know is that there is air surrounding the ring and in the general area. GP is a reality warper and it is completely okay for him to make something like this possible when he can make it so that everybody feels their home planet's gravity and nobody could fly. So the idea that GP filled the entire void with air and there is no outer space environment far far away doesn't hold up.
    ProfessorKukui4Life
    ProfessorKukui4Life
    The air point I can see what your saying and agree with being possible, but not the outer space one. The World of Void isn't initially a universe or reality in the first place but just a blank voided area, we even see this when they first enter it for the tournament.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    I think they had registered previously with the same name as Yuruginai so I could approve that account instead. They can contact me on my wall if they want to have their email address changed too.
    Da_Lunge_Fish
    Da_Lunge_Fish
    The problem is, he already deleted his old account.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    I can still make it so he can use his Yuruginai account. Just tell him to contact me on the wiki message wall and I'll talk to him directly regarding it.
    Hey. So about calcing the Roshi moon feat. Kep actually did this calculation a while back for me when I asked him to. I get the same results btw when I do it out.

    So if your looking for a calc instead of just moon level here is one. The timeframe he thought was reasonable for dispersal, not even factoring in reaching the moon was 20 seconds for the 2 pages, which I think is conservative given it was in the heat of battle against Oozaru.

    You may want to do a calc thread separately after using the feat is concluded, or include this in the current discussion, I am not sure.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    While I think 20-30 seconds is a reasonable low-end timeframe for this, but the main point of contention was whether to assume the moon got exploded or simply vaporized. This probably needs to be discussed as its own topic, yes.
    SSJRyu1
    SSJRyu1
    Fair enough. Yeah I could see how that could be up for debate. I think if the calc were done separately that could be good, just apply the feat itself and then think about speed and a more specific output after. BTW I can think of a few relevant points to bring up when deciding that so id like to be part of the discussion when deciding to use either vaporization or dispersal and the speed of the blast.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    Sure. You are welcome to contribute.
    Hey, AKM. So, my friend confirmed his profile on email, now he just needs an admin to confirm his account. His nick is yuruginai.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    I can't find any account with that username on the wiki.
    AKM Senpaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii how do you get those little messages under your posts? If you're able to do it for me can you give me, "I'm gonna be king of the powerscalers!!!"
    Hey, I know that you really aren’t a KR supporter. But I need a view of someone from outside the verse and mod for this CRT to apply. If you aren’t interested though then that’s fine as well. Hope that you are having a good day.

    The thread
    Hello, AKM. Sorry for distracting. My friend just registered here, but I can't find his account, and he says that the site doesn't let him comment yet, as he has no rights. IS there some kind of a requirement to comment that I don't know about?
    Hello AKM,

    Sorry for bothering you with this, but I was wondering, in a CRT, if even after an opposition to the OP of a CRT is made, if a decent amount of people still believe the OP is correct, can the opposition be ignored and the CRT accepted?

    I am talking about this thread.

    Thank you for your insight.

    Sincerely,
    -Warren Valion
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    I will check the thread.
    Hey, I saw that profiles have once again become available for editing by regular users. Because of this, I had two questions.
    1. Are we allowed to make new profiles again?
    2. If we did a calculation, should we upload it as a blog over at https://vsbattles.fandom.com/ or just upload it as a thread on this forum?
    Thanks for the help.
    AKM sama
    AKM sama
    Yes, you are allowed to create profiles again, but you have to follow Standard Format for Character Profiles and look out for Common Editing Mistakes.

    You should upload that calculation as a blog on the wiki, yes. You can get it accepted by calc members and then start a content revision thread here in case any changes are required.
    CCMac27
    CCMac27
    Thanks, I've got a few things in the works already so this helps a lot.
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