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Opinions are tense. What is the rating of perpetua?
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I think that you make sense, and would greatly appreciate your help with this. @Firestorm808 , @Sandman31 , and @LuciferDC099 are also knowledgeable enough to help you out with this task.If you want I can provide what I think would be appropriate scaling in context for various characters, but it will take me some time to make sure it's airtight and substantiated by scans.
Amen.Where's Jim Shooter when you need him?
Then is the downgrade going to happen? Will perpetua still retain her 1A key?I think that you make sense, and would greatly appreciate your help with this. @Firestorm808 , @Sandman31 , and @LuciferDC099 are also knowledgeable enough to help you out with this task.
What was the problem with the previous one? I don't know much about dc "experts" on this site other than Hyku who left.We have to work out a proper revisions system before that can happen, and it will take time.
What Retcons exactly? There's literally almost none. Only the 5th dimension is changedThe problem with the previous one was that she was inconsistent and too many retcons so applying an old cosmology to it doesn't make tons of sense imo
That dosen't answer my question.Different writers contradict each other to an extreme degree regarding the scale of the characters and the cosmology.
Retcons to monitors and source for example. That is the big ones, but if we include everything then that's to much to name. From Plastic Man to hour man (or was he named starman, kinda forgot it), the lanterns shenanigans, the lex sheningans, etc.What Retcons exactly? There's literally almost none. Only the 5th dimension is changed
First of all the monitors existed from coie and they were indeed part of mar novu, plus the crisis events are directly mentioned and it dosen't affect the cosmology either. The source as well was never retconed, the source was consistently shown top dog of DC and it's just expanded further that source is above the source judges and perpetua.Retcons to monitors and source for example. That is the big ones, but if we include everything then that's to much to name. From Plastic Man to hour man (or was he named starman, kinda forgot it), the lanterns shenanigans, etc.
Not really? It was never really explicitly shown it was the top dog. One of? Sure, but the main one? I cannot remember that at all. Do you have the source for where it says Source > Overvoid? Last I remember they were considered on equal level... Because the way I read it in Snyder cosmology, the source seen higher in comparison to Overvoid.The source as well was never retconed, the source was consistently shown top dog of DC and it's just expanded further that source is above the source judges and perpetua.
Okay. I'll wait.Ok? I'll bring more scans that support my argument.
This is handwaving. You can't write off a logical error in your interpretation by saying "well it's fiction."And also it's Fiction, you can't have a full scope of the philosophy or system they are based upon because they are stories. Just because an angel got killed by a bolder dosen't mean the realm isn't metaphysical. It's just Fictional and
Lucifer 2018 hasn't finished yet. Issues 19-24 aren't yet published.Lucifer 2018 finished recently which dosen't even matter
Are you talking about when it was published or when it takes place in universe? Those two are different. Likewise, Lucifer created his own multiverse.Lucifer 2000 takes place in around spectre volume 4 which is in post crisis the time when 52 Universes were a thing.
Okay, I appreciate it.I think that you make sense, and would greatly appreciate your help with this.
Opinions are tense. What is the rating of perpetua?
The origin of the Monitors changed several times. First, until Brave New World there were no "Monitors" in the plural, that was their initial introduction in 2006. Their first origin was offered in Countdown, where it was said they were the result of seed programming that activated with Alexander Luthor found Anti-Monitor's body. This was retconned by Final Crisis, which said they were a result of Dax Novu interacting with "story" for the first time, which then "became this history of a once mighty race of Hyper Gods." This was retconned once again in Justice League, when World Forger explained that they were fragments of Mar Novu who split after COIE.First of all the monitors existed from coie and they were indeed part of mar novu, plus the crisis events are directly mentioned and it dosen't affect the cosmology either. The source as well was never retconed, the source was consistently shown top dog of DC and it's just expanded further that source is above the sourc
Morrison, Snyder, Gaiman/Carey, and DeMatteis are the main big DC cosmology writers though, and they have very different takes on the mechanics of how it works.
At this point it seems most likely that the Overvoid is literally just a void. None of the other cosmic beings seem to acknowledge the Overvoid as a god of any kind rather than just a void.Because the way I read it in Snyder cosmology, the source seen higher in comparison to Overvoid.
From the sphere up:Let's organize what we have so far of what's above the Sphere of the Gods.
Possibly what?We'll put that as "possibly" then.
What will their current tier be?
What are the main issues?That's what we're sorting out.
That might be a waste of time. What, if it changes again and again?We're working from the bottom up of the comic descriptions and applying it to our tiering system.
The comic descriptions.The comic descriptions or the Tiering system?
Which cosmology would that be? Wouldn't it be better to take the cosmology that has been most used? Otherwise, you have to constantly change the tier, because different writers have different views.We go by what's most consistent.
He seems to have fled the conversation.We're examining the Grant Morrison Cosmology at the moment.
I mean can we do this fast as possible? It's getting tedious seeing threads going all way over five hundred comments.What do you mean?