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It was recently brought to my attention that some misinformation had been spread about Perpetua and I wanted to make sure the proper information was relayed. I'll directly address some of the claims made in the other thread that led to the upgrade.
So, clearly, DC has established that there are 52 universes. The evidence provided for infinite universes in the upgrade thread were as such:
Neither of those scans indicate infinite universes. One scan calls the multiverse "endless" and another calls it an "infinity of choice." Neither refer to the number of universes in the multiverse, and the evidence for 52 universes is far more direct and numerous.
But even if we were to lend the opposition a wide berth and say "well sometimes it flip flops" we would simply refer to the number as described in Perpetua's storyline. See below:
As you can see, in Perpetua's storyline the multiverse as operating on a 52 universe multiverse, and during her fight with TDK, there were only six left. "Their agony keeps her powerful enough to finish the job, to destroy universe after universe." Both Perpetua herself and Batman Who Laughs indicate that Perpetua has to destroy universes one by one. She has no feats of destroying infinite universes at once, and has never coexisted with an infinite number of universes in DC.
This is simply a dishonest representation of the text. It was said that "possibilities of Hypertime are dying out" but it was never said that BWL was destroying them or that it was due to his power, and the feat is unquantifiable in and of itself. Here's the scan in question:
It says "At the end of time, Rip Hunter watches the lights of hypertime burn out one by one as possibilities die around him. The end is imminent. There is no time left."
The actual scan makes it clear that the impending end of the multiverse is what is affecting hypertime, not some pseudo-time destruction feat from TDK, who is not implicated in that portion of the scan.
Thankfully, Perpetua tells us exactly where her full power is at.
Perpetua states clearly, "all but a fraction of my power has returned." Meaning she is nearly full power. Despite this, she has to destroy universes one by one, which is re-emphasized by Batman Who Laughs as well as the narration during her battle with TDK.
The one instance in which Perpetua could be called "multiversal" would be the creation of the multiverse, however, it is made clear in Death Metal and Justice League that the power to create a multiverse is a one-time endowment from the Source/Presence, not a constant state of power. See below.
As such, I don't believe it stands to scrutiny to suggest that Perpetua's ability to create a multiverse should be considered her base power instead of an amp, and particularly, I'm not sure it's clear that she could simply redirect that power in a combat sense. However, even if she could, the proof is overwhelming that this would only referr to 52 universes, as stated by World Forger, Perpetua, and BWL, as well as Mandrakk, Zillo Valla, Superman, the Monitors, and Rip Hunter.
TL;DR: Even under the best of circumstances and interpretation, Perpetua has only demonstrated the capability to affect 52 universes at once, but most often not. By her own admission, at nearly full power she is only capable of destroying one at a time.
If there are any questions/counter arguments I'm happy to hear them out and address them.
The DC Multiverse has been stated to contain 52 universes dozens of times. For example:
So, clearly, DC has established that there are 52 universes. The evidence provided for infinite universes in the upgrade thread were as such:
Neither of those scans indicate infinite universes. One scan calls the multiverse "endless" and another calls it an "infinity of choice." Neither refer to the number of universes in the multiverse, and the evidence for 52 universes is far more direct and numerous.
But even if we were to lend the opposition a wide berth and say "well sometimes it flip flops" we would simply refer to the number as described in Perpetua's storyline. See below:
As you can see, in Perpetua's storyline the multiverse as operating on a 52 universe multiverse, and during her fight with TDK, there were only six left. "Their agony keeps her powerful enough to finish the job, to destroy universe after universe." Both Perpetua herself and Batman Who Laughs indicate that Perpetua has to destroy universes one by one. She has no feats of destroying infinite universes at once, and has never coexisted with an infinite number of universes in DC.
This is simply a dishonest representation of the text. It was said that "possibilities of Hypertime are dying out" but it was never said that BWL was destroying them or that it was due to his power, and the feat is unquantifiable in and of itself. Here's the scan in question:
It says "At the end of time, Rip Hunter watches the lights of hypertime burn out one by one as possibilities die around him. The end is imminent. There is no time left."
The actual scan makes it clear that the impending end of the multiverse is what is affecting hypertime, not some pseudo-time destruction feat from TDK, who is not implicated in that portion of the scan.
Thankfully, Perpetua tells us exactly where her full power is at.
Perpetua states clearly, "all but a fraction of my power has returned." Meaning she is nearly full power. Despite this, she has to destroy universes one by one, which is re-emphasized by Batman Who Laughs as well as the narration during her battle with TDK.
This notion is just incoherent but I'll address it anyway. There is no such thing as "not having the strength to utilize your power." The power and the strength are the same thing, if she can't destroy a universe, she can't destroy a universe. To try and delineate there being two different gauges of Perpetua's power is completely unfounded.
The one instance in which Perpetua could be called "multiversal" would be the creation of the multiverse, however, it is made clear in Death Metal and Justice League that the power to create a multiverse is a one-time endowment from the Source/Presence, not a constant state of power. See below.
As such, I don't believe it stands to scrutiny to suggest that Perpetua's ability to create a multiverse should be considered her base power instead of an amp, and particularly, I'm not sure it's clear that she could simply redirect that power in a combat sense. However, even if she could, the proof is overwhelming that this would only referr to 52 universes, as stated by World Forger, Perpetua, and BWL, as well as Mandrakk, Zillo Valla, Superman, the Monitors, and Rip Hunter.
TL;DR: Even under the best of circumstances and interpretation, Perpetua has only demonstrated the capability to affect 52 universes at once, but most often not. By her own admission, at nearly full power she is only capable of destroying one at a time.
If there are any questions/counter arguments I'm happy to hear them out and address them.
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