Like I said platonic or Jungian whatever can mean different things for different verses. However the godsphere viewing the multiverse as a book is definitely a solid argument for it being transcendent unless it has some other context
Lemme know if you find it. I will look for it on my end too.
Wait, what? The godsphere houses the Platonic form of everything below it, that's why I said Platonic, Jungian comes from the Collective unconsciousness which is a concept of carl Jung. As well the entire godsphere being stated to be beyond time and space, would definitely count for outerversal, and aswell some bleed scaling. I won't talk much about this as this is my personal belief, just mentioning it for metaphysical aspect.
What I meant was that like concepts usage of ideas such as platonism or archetypes can also vary from fiction to fiction. If it is shown that the usage does not lead to an infinite transcendent superiority in case of DC then we have to roll with it
Yes, I can see that, but we can definitely see DC take inspiration from the actual concepts of the both. Aswell Platonic form is considered outerversal here.
Plus the souls of humans are considered archetypal in dc. Plus is humans perciving 11 Dimension valid? I have scans of humans perciving 11 Dimensions.
Why would transcending time/space = outerversal?
I meant to say Trancending time and space together with the archetypal thing. I know Trancending time and space is vauge af, but the usage of platonism and being beyond time and space, I can definitely see it being outerversal. Just by viewpoint tho, not saying it's outerversal. Anyone can have their own Interpretation.
I guess so
If you want you can wait for his confirmation. But I'll suggest to close this thread before this thing even scales further.
Damaging the structure isn't the same as destroying it altogether, which is what the initial premise suggests.
Pardon? When have I ever prioritized Morrison's cosmology over others? Likewise, has this notion of it being a "3-dimensional analogue of time" been stated in the comics or just in interviews?
How so?
You are editorializing the text. It does not say that it's a higher plane of existence nor does it say that it "completely transcends the world of matter." It says that it is a "higher order of reality" and goes on to describe it in a physical lens, saying that "the air of heaven would burst your lungs" "the light of heaven would slash your corneas."
I don't see this notion reflected in the tiering system, where is it?
Again, you are blatantly editorializing the text and ignoring that your scans have actually supported my point. When he loses his form, he is described as being incapable of holding his atoms together, yet when he appears before DeSaad he explicitly says he is "corporeal again."
Precisely, having size relative to a galaxy is indeed only possible when it's physical. These notions are incompatible with a non-corporeal reality.
This is strawman, as that is not my argument at all.
Why would she need to destroy the "known worlds" to accomplish this? Why would destroying 52/infinity do such a thing?
Why would Perpetua care about that or refer to them in such terms?
By different characters in a different storyline with a clear reason for referring to them that way. Once again, this logic is bunk, and you have still failed to address the issues with this interpretation.
First, boom tubes would only account for visits to the realm of the New Gods (but again, it's repeatedly been described as a change in physical size) but even then several characters have accomplished reaching New Genesis and Apokolips without boomtubes over the years.
Nothing in the multiverse can be platonic by definition.
I think there are a few points of contention worth whittling down further, but this is what I do think we have accomplished:
Here you go.
Not always, on CSAP it is tho. (Here you basically have to be beyond every extension of a concept. Being beyond a concept vs all of it's extensions is something I'm not gonna get into here though)
Something that might interest you is the following: The Phantom Zone is described as a boundless dimensionless dimension between being and nothingness.
I do know the dimensionless scan. Thanks regardless. I'm thinking of making a cosmology blog if I got my laptop.
What? That doesn't prove upscaling? It can also be interpreted that the new god's are only as strong as Superman.
If you have no interest why do you come on every thread to cry about how wanked it is and how unfair it is for you.
I am not attacking you, I merely find you to be extremely dishonest in how you always like to victimize yourself as the only sane person amidst a sea of insanity in the DC threads.
Superman_Confidential_Vol_1_9.jpg (200×312) (nocookie.net) for instance. Like whenever Superman uses a boom tube to get to New Genesis/Apokolyps he has the same size as the inhabitans of that realm or else there would be no comic lol, Supertown which is the capital of New Genesis is another example.
Deagonx also agrees on the characters getting rescaled by boom tubes. His argument was of course that they only have a finite size in comparison to the New Gods when not rescaled thus that the New Gods aren't dimensionally superior. Ultima then debunked this notion and thus you end up with characters being rescaled resulting in being on the same dimensional level as the New Gods and also being physically comparable to them which means they have a higher dimensional tier in these realms when arriving through a boom tube and thus them defeating the New Gods there not being an outlier but them just scaling.
Ehm, I am failing to follow your argument. If everyone from the sphere wasn't bigger than a universe then they wouldn't be low 1-C or higher pretty sure (see note). So you are saying that the New Gods are bigger than the characters in their original form, yet you also say that when these characters are the same size as the New Gods in New Genesis, that they aren't upscaled but also in their original form... That gives quite the contradiction.
