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I'm pretty sure this is the case. He shouldn't get High 7-A dura from Kizaru. This makes sense to me.to the point of "lemme go from Large Mountain to City to make this fair".
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I'm pretty sure this is the case. He shouldn't get High 7-A dura from Kizaru. This makes sense to me.to the point of "lemme go from Large Mountain to City to make this fair".
Eustass Kid's stated to be At Least Mountain level+. (His profile says likely, whatever).
- Wano-Arc Roronoa Zoro
- Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain Level (Cut through and drew blood from Scratchmen Apoowith Ittoryu).
- He would have to massively upscale from Mountain+ regardless since it was a one shot. The at least is because he only used one sword.
- Wano-Arc Killer
- Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (Traded blows with Wano-arc Zoro [who was restricted to Two-Sword Style] and managed to pierce completely through his shoulder with a two-armed swing with his sickle)
- Wano-Arc Eustass Kid
- Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon), Large Mountain level (Should be superior to Killer who he is the captain of and fought with against Kaido).
Yeah I'm fine with the High 7-A proposition to get denied, but my main thing was at least a Mountain level+.I'm pretty sure this is the case. He shouldn't get High 7-A dura from Kizaru. This makes sense to me.
Apoo had a One Piece random recovery and was perfectly fine.There is no one shot, Apoo was damaged from Kid and was focused in blocking Hybrid Drake, who is way above himself, it was by no way a 1V1, and iirc even pre timeskip Shishi Sonson is said to use rudimentary levels of haki, so... idk, i really don't understand the way we treat haki.
Zoro literally said he would become much stronger after getting used to Enma in that same page, and since he was using Enma a few chapters ago, i really doubt there is a big change in strength based in the sword he is using, the haki and arms are still the same after all.Did Zoro even get stronger?
From what I know he was just mastering telling Enma "gimme my haki back". In other words, he was controlling the amount of Haki that he used for Enma (since Enma takes mad haki from the user).
He had mad sparring partners, he would've trained with them instead of standing there holding his sword while doing nothing.
And IIRC, the sword he used to hit Apoo wasn't Enma. It looked like Wado.
Alright nowi really doubt there is a big change in strength based in the sword he is using, the haki and arms are still the same after all.
Fujitora did a casual feat. You can't scale serious people off of casual feats, that doesn't make sense.
Zoro cutting Pica got Small City Level+ with 2 hands, 1 head, and 3 swords with full blown haki. Zoro did this by accident with one arm and one sword.What? First, cutting Pica is more impressive than that if we calc both afaik,
Good point, although it wouldn't matter since Zoro learned how to use less Haki in Enma, and his Enma stats wouldn't correlate to his Wado stats (unless you think Zoro's katana in the beginning of the show with crazy haki could do the same thing).second, in the next page Hitetsu says Enma cuts more than needed, not more than what would be normally possible to its owner.
I misspoke, my bad.That "casual" feat is the best feat we have for Fujitora. The amount of visible effort we see from him (or lack thereof) shouldn't mean we should assume he is significantly stronger than that, especially since it is a product of his Devil Fruit and not his physical lifting strength.
He said once he mastered it he would be stronger, so yes.Did Zoro even get stronger?
Good point, although it wouldn't matter since Zoro learned how to use less Haki in Enma, and his Enma stats wouldn't correlate to his Wado stats (unless you think Zoro's katana in the beginning of the show with crazy haki could do the same thing).
He blocked sword strikes, but he did dodge his 720 pound cannon.I don't think Apoo ever blocked a single attack from Zoro, he just kept dodging
Apoo blocking attacks from Zoro and X-Drake. And again.I don't think Apoo ever blocked a single attack from Zoro, he just kept dodging
My post was directed to Tempest, my badI never claimed that, I claimed that by Zoro's own words that after mastering Enma he would be stronger; this just means his stats are higher than what they were previously.
I don't know why, but the OP wiki considers this as strength wise and that they're on equal strength levels.D: About the Whitebeard Pirates, if there are pirates from the "Whitebeard ally groups", is there a possibility of one of them becoming a commander of the real Whitebeard Pirates itself? Or are the commanders all from the real Whitebeard Pirates from the beginning? P.N. amanuts
O: Ok, I'll explain a little about the Whitebeard Pirates. First, captain Whitebeard and the 16 commanders. All 16 commanders, despite numbers and ages have the same rank. All the same. Whitebeard Pirates are just split in 16 groups and the division number does not indicate strength. The 43 ally pirate ships are not any part of the Whitebeard Pirates and are usually all just scattered everywhere living their own little lives. Yet they are loyal to Whitebeard, and help him in desperate times. They are like that. In Ace's case, the Spade Pirates were destroyed, and all the members joined the Whitebeard Pirates, so he was able to become a commander.
This would be weirdly (I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS) consistent.Ace once stated that Blackbeard could have been a commander when he was recommended for the position, thereby proving that his strength was equivalent with any of the other commanders, which is extremely notable, as he had not yet eaten a Devil Fruit.
Marco and Vista's justification for High 7-A in the OP makes no sense to me. Akainu just logia-ed his way around there attacks they didn't harm him at all.
That seems absurd.Are we really going to upgrade Zoro from 377 to H7A from a single attack against someone who isn't even commander level? But Cracker and Katakuri still need a 7A+ end and Doffy may have his H7A end removed for being mostly unable to damage Boundman? Are we really going to give Zoro stats comparable to Luffy for defeating Apoo? Yeah, Zoro > Katakuri, lets go.
Are we really going to upgrade Zoro from 377 to H7A from a single attack against someone who isn't even commander level? But Cracker and Katakuri still need a 7A+ end and Doffy may have his H7A end removed for being mostly unable to damage Boundman? Are we really going to give Zoro stats comparable to Luffy for defeating Apoo? Yeah, Zoro > Katakuri, lets go.
I agree with @CinCameron20 . I think this thread could focus on a rating for Zoro and then can probably be closed. Also Jack's profile needs an update to 7-A+.The Cracker and Katakuri bit are both wrong. "Punched Gear 4th Luffy to the point he ran away" is wrong as the latter only left due to Gear 4th about to be disabled. Cracker only cut into Luffy's arm via Haki, and the Honey Pretzel only caused a small cut and we don't see it do any more damage.
Doflamingo's "higher with Awakening" is also false since his threads were damaged by Luffy's headbutt while his body could tank through most attacks despite already being wounded. Blocking one attack doesn't automatically boost his thread durability when they were shown tanking ONE strike that his body could withstand without even using Haki.
Don't put false information on the profiles. None of these 3 characters have EVER been shown going equal with Bound-Man in terms of power. If you disagree, prove it.
the 7-A+ rating is not being removed from the profiles because ALL characters who have it get the scaling from either being >>other 7-As like Gear 3rd Luffy, or =/> Doflamingo. The only solid High 7-A is Bound-Man Luffy currently.
Fujitora is NOT getting High 7-A. Jack is 7-A+ and gets the stat from fighting BOTH Fuji + Tsuru and also being suggested as > the Tobi Roppo, who are 7-A+
I'm not going to bother with the other ones like "High 7-A Zoro" because they're just wrong on so many levels. None of this makes any sense and is heavily opinionated.
Why are we scaling Apoo to causing a Logia user to split in two...?
I'm personally for Katakuri and Cracker not needing 7-A+ since it seems unnecessary and they already showed they scale to the Boundman more than they scale to whatever the 7-A+ shit is.Are we really going to upgrade Zoro from 377 to H7A from a single attack against someone who isn't even commander level? But Cracker and Katakuri still need a 7A+ end and Doffy may have his H7A end removed for being mostly unable to damage Boundman? Are we really going to give Zoro stats comparable to Luffy for defeating Apoo? Yeah, Zoro > Katakuri, lets go.