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One Piece: High 6-A downgrade Pt. 2
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DaMonkeMan
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If I'm like, 5-A, and throw a water bottle at Kaidou, it's probably still not gonna hurt him.
I'm sorry I thought you were Eseseso.
Honest mistake brother.
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That's just a support, his real thing is clashing with G5 (for now).
There are red droplets of blood in the panel where Luffy pushes it away.
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My Mashle senses are off the charts
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How do you know that they're red? It's not colored.
Compare these two scans:
Initially, one would have thought that there was blood, but once the official colors came out, we found out that it wasn't actually blood. Oda likes to draw random dots sometimes.
Ped2018
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That depends on what the Author wants tbh
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Nah, Queen just bleeds oil
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If I'm 5-A and I breathe in Kaidou's general direction, he will be 10 miles away.
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Agent 47 can knock ******* out by throwing snowballs
DaMonkeMan
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We just calling anything we don't like an outlier these days
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I don't know if Lucci's new key has enough showings for anything to be considered an outlier.
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While Oda is indeed odd in some of his background choices, if you look at the scan below, you can see on the bottom-right panel that the area on Luffy's left hip right above his baggy pants (as in the baggy pants that all shonen protagonists have) is stained dark red.
DaMonkeMan
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Give me one good reason Lucci should scale to mfing G5 Luffy.
Cause it's just a callback.
Unless Croc is 6A for clashing with Mihawk.
WCI Luffy is 6A for clashing with BM.
Bonney and pre ts Luffy are 6A for hurting BB
Etc.
Suddenly everything else is an outlier but the arguably most illogical one isn't?
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I mean, once the Kaku scaling kicks in, since his Awakened form should be FAR stronger than his Rokushiki, which is above Kaku's Rokushiki, which scales to S-Hawk, who scales to Buso Zoro, then it really won't be an outlier.
If anything, it'll show that a G5 Luffy with No-Hao clapped the cheeks of someone who by scaling is well above normal Buso Zoro.
Also, Lucci's probably gonna get more moments when we return to Egghead in 2 years. Could be longer with all these GODDAMN FLASHBACKS.
Ped2018
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.....? Lucci's only feat is clashing with Luffy
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Mihawk was casual
BM was just blocking.
pain amp
Idk, we still have Jinbe at tier 7.
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I mean, personally, I thought it was pretty clear that Awakened Lucci should scale to G5. Granted, he should downscale significantly, since it was made abundantly clear Luffy had the advantage throughout the entire fight and was even confident he could defeat Lucci, but he could still clash with G5 for a while.
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Fixed
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I say Buso Lucci = Casual Buso G5 = Regular G5
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No-Haki G5 doesn't have any feats though.
But tbh, I think Hybrid Lucci is about as strong as a no-Hao Luffy ranging from Base to G4, since we saw against Kaido that now the gaps between them aren't that big.
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"It's just a callback" is a pretty dishonest reason for suddenly dismissing something as an outlier.
Like, okay, it still happened. And I'm like 99% sure there's context for those other things that you're leaving out
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That time Lucci had to use rokushiki to not get eaten alive.
DaMonkeMan
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Maybe he was casual, but Vista clashed with a casual Mihawk too.
What tier is he?
Fair. She was just blocking.
Pain amp but they still drew blood.
Lol true
And needing armament to bust a rock.
His neck being cracked by a casual attack from Luffy.
Getting sent flying and bleeding each time.
Being knocked out.
How the hell would he scale to him when he got his booty cheeks fondled each time?
Kaku doesn't scale to S Hawk come to think of it. He just threw air slices at him and be blocked.
Hell, Zoro even slammed him and blocked his slash with one sword right after waking up.
So honestly Kaku and Lucci don't even scale to Zoro.
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DaMonkeMan
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If Lucci could box with an Emperor they wouldn't tell him to wait for Kizaru and Saturn to arrive before fighting him.
But okay, apparently the World Government and Marines are wrong. Lucci is Yonko level and doesn't need someone they practically know to be stronger than him to help.
That makes sense.
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It's literally always better to fight as a group rather than doing a 1v1, like come on now. Your reasons for dismissing this as an "outlier" are pretty shaky all things considered.
Makes me think we should make the definition of an outlier should be made far stricter since nowadays it's just used for feats people particularly don't like
DaMonkeMan
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This is a goofy argument.
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A goofy argument you're not even addressing
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Kaku was clashing with him, we see air slices going in both directions, and S-Hawk even took the effort to dodge an Amane Dachi. Probably wouldn't have even scratched him, but it shows that he at least regarded Kaku's attacks as notable.
He literally up and left since none of the people he was fighting were gonna go down easy.
Kaku also had some bruises that may have come from the off-screen fighting.
Kaku also helped Buso Zoro blitz him.
He and Lucci were not being shown as lagging behind no-Hao Luffy and Zoro.
Kaku scales.
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I would not be against 6A croc. However, Vista was pretty casual too. And I believe Croc didn't do anything except stop his attack, which is a durability feat.
That's part of the pain amp, it's an overall damage boost.
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Or maybe it has something to do with the presence of an entire crew? And of course, Luffy having Hao infusion, but nonetheless.
DaMonkeMan
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This part is headcanon
Yeah and Lucci has people with him too lol
With all due respect, it's simply idiotic.
They already sent 2 of Lucci's friends with him and a bunch of fodders, they have a team.
When was he clashing with him.
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"It's idiotic" isn't an argument.
Also, a bunch of fodders are nothing compared to, say, Kizaru. Especially when the opponents are the Straw Hats
DaMonkeMan
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Your scaling would mean Lucci scales above Kizaru who they trust to fight Luffy.
So why would he need a team?
Vegapunk isn't much of a factor tbf
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Because the Straw Hats are more than just Luffy my dude
You expect Lucci to be enough to handle both Zoro and Sanji along with Luffy?
DaMonkeMan
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They have Kaku and Stussy.
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