One Piece Chapter 1053: "New Emperors" (Official Release)

[Darkvie123]

Could someone explain (claiming King & Queen) had sea stone prism. How were they able to drink Sake? im pretty sure they went to Udon prison to recover. If they were rly captured and put in the Prison there would be someone from the Alliance to look on them. Also the Udon prison in the Manga is called "Former Prison" now. And also i dont see someone putting bandages on the same enemies they beat.

 

[Eminiteable]

Could someone explain (claiming King & Queen) had sea stone prism

Coping I guess

 

[SnookB]

Coping I guess

Dudes forget Aokiji casually taking Jozu's arm and Akainu not even paying attention to Marco/Vista when he got serious.
Admirals were always above Commanders.

 

[14405User]

REAL OR FAKE?

 

[RoyGundam]

But why they would mess around? Especially someone like Akainu?

Akainu doesn't even register the attack by Marco and Vista

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Yes, Admirals> Commanders, that has always been known. But I'm not impressed by Greenbull beating some still recovering characters in bandages. Now I'll actually be impressed when he beats a strong opponent at %100 that easily. Nevertheless, I'm liking Greenbull's character so far and looking forward to his confrontation with the Straw Hats.

And Robin was cold asf telling Sukiyaki (I always suspected he was Tengu) his Kokeshi Dolls weren't cute lol. So now there exists two people who can read the Poneglyphs, Pluton is confirmed to be in Wano, and now there is an Admiral on his way towards the Flower Capital. This is not good. And like Robin asked I wonder how Sukiyaki knows Robin's name.

 

[Kachon123]

Greenbull uses sleep grass and causes the alliance to sleep. Sanji wakes up with his Kenbun, and they fight.

 

[WrongIdea21]

People being Mad of Buggy become a Yonko.. meanwhile Ryokugyu literally said the world is in a real mess. A lot of Possibility why Buggy become a Yonko.
First Buggy controled the arms trade after Doffy's fall, secondly he has a large and quite strong army (don't forget that Hajrudin is Buggy's former subordinate), thirdly Buggy is most likely to take over some of the areas under Bigmom and Kaido's shelter and he's also likely to gather Other Sichibukai like Mihawk and Weevil by his side because Buggy is a pretty good person in negotiations (the former shicibukai will be the main target especially the Lone Wolf like Mihawk).
I wouldn't be surprised if none of a single Shicibukai was caught.
This is just my opinion.

 

[Darkvie123]

People being Mad of Buggy become a Yonko.. meanwhile Ryokugyu literally said the world is in a real mess. A lot of Possibility why Buggy become a Yonko.
First Buggy controled the arms trade after Doffy's fall, secondly he has a large and quite strong army (don't forget that Hajrudin is Buggy's former subordinate), thirdly Buggy is most likely to take over some of the areas under Bigmom and Kaido's shelter and he's also likely to gather Other Sichibukai like Mihawk and Weevil by his side because Buggy is a pretty good person in negotiations (the former shicibukai will be the main target especially the Lone Wolf like Mihawk).
I wouldn't be surprised if none of a single Shicibukai was caught.
This is just my opinion.

I believe Hancock got captured. Since in an interview Oda said Sabo, Vivi, Hancock will be in a bad situations

 

[Kin201]

Considering how GB neg-diffed Q&K, I think Marco isn't comparable to an admiral.

 

[RoyGundam]

Considering how GB neg-diffed Q&K, I think Marco isn't comparable to an admiral.

I agree. Although I still think they downscale

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

People being Mad of Buggy become a Yonko.. meanwhile Ryokugyu literally said the world is in a real mess. A lot of Possibility why Buggy become a Yonko.
First Buggy controled the arms trade after Doffy's fall, secondly he has a large and quite strong army (don't forget that Hajrudin is Buggy's former subordinate), thirdly Buggy is most likely to take over some of the areas under Bigmom and Kaido's shelter and he's also likely to gather Other Sichibukai like Mihawk and Weevil by his side because Buggy is a pretty good person in negotiations (the former shicibukai will be the main target especially the Lone Wolf like Mihawk).
I wouldn't be surprised if none of a single Shicibukai was caught.
This is just my opinion.

Buggy is litetally the walking wild card of One Piece Series, no one knew what is he going to do and when he did, it was unbelieveable
Heck....Shanks and Buggy alliance isn't going to be far-fetched at this point

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I believe Hancock got captured. Since in an interview Oda said Sabo, Vivi, Hancock will be in a bad situations

We saw the glimpse of Sabo situation iirc but Vivi and Hancock are certainly unknown for now
Honestly whenever which one situation is worse, they'll be so important in future arc

 

[WrongIdea21]

I believe Hancock got captured. Since in an interview Oda said Sabo, Vivi, Hancock will be in a bad situations

I don't remember of that Interview tbh.

Buggy is litetally the walking wild card of One Piece Series, no one knew what is he going to do and when he did, it was unbelieveable
Heck....Shanks and Buggy alliance isn't going to be far-fetched at this point

Buggy is exactly don't let people know what his next move, lmao.

Considering how GB neg-diffed Q&K, I think Marco isn't comparable to an admiral.

So we ignore his Marineford feats?

 

[Stefano4444]

So we ignore his Marineford feats?

We would need to reevaluate the feats of the Top Yonko Commanders in Marineford and see if they really deserve to keep their tier.

 

[Stefano4444]

I agree. Although I still think they downscale

Do they? If the gap show its as big as we think then the current scaling may no longer be legittimare.

 

[WrongIdea21]

We would need to reevaluate the feats of the Top Yonko Commanders in Marineford and see if they really deserve to keep their tier.

We can't say All the Admiral Have same strenght.
If Oda draw Ryokugyu stronger than Aokiji what's the matter? they have their own feats.

 

[Stefano4444]

We can't say All the Admiral Have same strenght. If Oda draw Ryokugyu stronger than Aokiji what's the matter?

But they are still meant to be comparable, up this point nothing indicate that there are large gap in power between Admirals, similar to the Yonkou.

But can you prove that Ryokugyu and Issho are stronger than the previous admirals? There its no indication of the two be on a different level compare to Kizaru.

 

[14405User]

will this thread be closed or wait a month

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

We're entering the void month, ladies and gentlemen

 

[RoyGundam]

Do they? If the gap show its as big as we think then the current scaling may no longer be legittimare.

I think they indirectly downscale by say, Ashura Zoro's feat against Kaido

 

[SnookB]

Considering how GB neg-diffed Q&K, I think Marco isn't comparable to an admiral.

Thing is Marco also held'em off for a bit. Greenbull just seems to be better at restraining opponents and draining them of their power while Marco had no means of taking them down for long.

 

[WrongIdea21]

But they are still meant to be comparable, up this point nothing indicate that there are large gap in power between Admirals, similar to the Yonkou.

But can you prove that Ryokugyu and Issho are stronger than the previous admirals? There its no indication of the two be on a different level compare to Kizaru.

Akainu match WB Fruit, Akainu scale to WB.
Aokiji match Akainu for 10 Days, Aokiji Scale to Akainu.
Marco and Jozu scale to Aokiji.
King can match Marco, King scale.
Ryokugyu No diffed King and Queen.
In my opinion WB ~ Akainu > Aokiji ~ Marco ~ King.
Ryokugyu > King ~ Marco ~ Aokiji.
Issho had his own feats.
Kizaru have a lot of potential since I'm not considering him being serious if he still kicking and use his laser beam, because Serious Kizaru would use his LightSaber, in my opinion.

Note : I'm saying this Regardless what on their profiles.

will this thread be closed or wait a month

This thread would only can be closed if the new chapter got a spoiler, as ussual.

 

[Damage3245]

Ryokugyu No diffed King and Queen.

The issue is that it looks more like the binding strength of his roots overpowered them, rather than him simply beating them into submission, and then he goes on to drain and presumably weaken them.

Based on this alone it's not conclusive to argue he has more AP than the likes of Marco.

We don't even know if they used their Zoan powers against him.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

The issue is that it looks more like the binding strength of his roots overpowered them, rather than him simply beating them into submission, and then he goes on to drain and presumably weaken them.

Based on this alone it's not conclusive to argue he has more AP than the likes of Marco.

We don't even know if they used their Zoan powers against him.

Considering his comment is literally about how an Admiral wouldn't lose to a Yonko Commander, I'd still say it's valid

 

[KingTempest]

I’d take that statement with a grain of salt. Commander isn’t a stagnant level. Ain’t Beckman equal to Shanks? Is he losing to Greenbull cause he’s an admiral?

 

[Kin201]

Ain’t Beckman equal to Shanks?

I doubt it. There should be a gap between captains and vice-captains/crew members. Like how Zoro and Sanji are weaker than Luffy.

 

[Archinord991]

I doubt it. There should be a gap between captains and vice-captains/crew members. Like how Zoro and Sanji are weaker than Luffy.

They are comparable, it is stated inside the Vivre Card databook

 

[Kin201]

They are comparable, it is stated inside the Vivre Card databook

Alright, maybe he is an exception then.

 

[SnookB]

I doubt it. There should be a gap between captains and vice-captains/crew members. Like how Zoro and Sanji are weaker than Luffy.

It's doubtful from showings, but we've never seen Shanks or Ben in action. And the vivre card says that Ben and Shanks are comparable, so-- can't rely deny that for now until the canon shows otherwise

 

[WrongIdea21]

If there was an enemy that attacked them and had the possibility of being killed why should they hold back their power?
I agree on point that Commander Isn't stagnant level. Being Commander doesn't mean they're equal, so do the Admirals are equal? I would say no.

 

[SnookB]

Admirals are equal? I would say no.

Admirals seem to be the only characters that do have a somewhat comparable, closer level of strength though.

 

[PrinceofPein]

If there was an enemy that attacked them and had the possibility of being killed why should they hold back their power?
I agree on point that Commander Isn't stagnant level. Being Commander doesn't mean they're equal, so do the Admirals are equal? I would say no.

And like I said also
It could have been a surprise attack and the statement would make more sense also if it was a surprise attack

 

[KingTempest]

I doubt it. There should be a gap between captains and vice-captains/crew members. Like how Zoro and Sanji are weaker than Luffy.

Zoro and Luffy were equals for like 7 arcs straight

 

[WrongIdea21]

And like I said also
It could have been a surprise attack and the statement would make more sense also if it was a surprise attack

What is the form of the surprise attack? If Ryokugyu directly pierced and sucked their energy, is there any evidence that Ryokugyu's roots were ignoring their Durability? If I recall corectly King and Queen got a Surprise attack from Zoro and Sanji Right?
After all, Ryokugyu sucking their energy wasn't instant either. if Ryokugyu directly wrapped around them wouldn't they be strong enough to rebel against it? the logic is that people who are tied up are usually people who have weakened and already helpless. The only one got tied up there is King. it was clear that they had fight him and got defeated.

 

[PrinceofPein]

What is the form of the surprise attack? If Ryokugyu directly pierced and sucked their energy, is there any evidence that Ryokugyu's roots were ignoring their Durability? If I recall corectly King and Queen got a Surprise attack from Zoro and Sanji Right?
After all, Ryokugyu sucking their energy wasn't instant either. if Ryokugyu directly wrapped around them wouldn't they be strong enough to rebel against it? the logic is that people who are tied up are usually people who have weakened and already helpless. The only one got tied up there is King. it was clear that they had fight him and got defeated.

Never said they don’t have a fight
Someone supposedly equal to yonkos surprising an injured king and queen is far different from zoro and sanji.
Anyway we will get more fights between admirals, yonkos and commanders later on

 

[SnookB]

I realize Big Mom's final words about some of Roger's treasure being in wano led to PLUTON being that "part" in the country. She wasn't wrong after all.
Is that why she "felt" close? Could she sense Pluton and just didn't know it herself??

 

[Damage3245]

Perhaps the Ancient Weapons were a part of the original One Piece.

 

[SnookB]

Perhaps the Ancient Weapons were a part of the original One Piece.

Very likely. Her dialogue and the reveal that now pluton is indeed where she said part of Roger's treasure should be makes it feel like the Ancient Weapons are either part of the One Piece, or a necessary thing to reach it

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Listening to people complain how Wano was rushed, anti-climactic, and the worst arc in One Piece once again proves weekly impressions of ongoing manga are trash

When Wano’s finally over and like a year passes, these same people will have very different opinions of Wano