One Piece Chapter 1114 Thread

[Kachon123]

To be fair, Kizaru was kind of facing another way and only looked toward Luffy right before the fist hit him

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I can do the same thing...

Both gets blitzed by a serious gear 5, no amount of out of contexts paneling is going to help you against that.

Congrats he dodged a giant Luffy who only tried to bite him

 

[DaMonkeMan]

To be fair, Kizaru was kind of facing another way and only looked toward Luffy right before the fist hit him

That's funny as hell to imagine.
Just minding your business then you look to your right and a huge Armament coated fist is hurtling towards your cranium

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

To be fair, Kizaru was kind of facing another way and only looked toward Luffy right before the fist hit him

There's no to be fair. It's just you being unfair because of your continously bias with kizaru.

both were surprise attacks... They aren't there to be fully comparable the same way monke man did.

Congrats he dodged a giant Luffy who only tried to bite him

And...?

 

[Kachon123]

there's no to be fair. It's just you being unfair because of your continuing biases with kizaru.

both were surprise attacks... They aren't there to be fully comparable the same way monke man did.

What continuing biases

Also, in the Lucci panel he didn't even get blitzed. We see him raise his hands to block. He was also facing Luffy, so how was it a surprise attack.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

There's no to be fair. It's just you being unfair because of your continously bias with kizaru.

both were surprise attacks... They aren't there to be fully comparable the same way monke man did.

I don't think he has bias for anyone other than Sanji lmao

And...?

And it's easier to dodge someone who's much bigger than you

 

[Kachon123]

I don't think he has bias for anyone other than Sanji lmao

I was just about to say this

And I don't really have biases for anyone when having an agendaless conversation like this or in vs matches. It's too much energy to try to extrapolate feats rather than to just take them for what they are.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What continuing biases

remember you used to say he was holding back and stuff and saying he's faster than gear 5

Also, in the Lucci panel he didn't even get blitzed. We see him raise his hands to block. He was also facing Luffy, so how was it a surprise attack.

Bro... Monkeman showed an out of context luffy fighting kizaru (just his lasers) to say kizaru was keeping up with gear 5, and then showed Lucci presumably getting blitzed from a gear 5 attack even tho both are completely different situations and attacks

So I did the same but the opposite

But the truth is both just get blitz by a serious gear 5

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And it's easier to dodge someone who's much bigger than you

Opposite... You have to travel/move much more, that's only true if they get slower because of gravity/heaviness and stuff... Luffy floats... Also... It's literally shown not to be true

 

[DaMonkeMan]

oh brother

I was just about to say this

And I don't really have biases for anyone when having an agendaless conversation like this or in vs matches. It's too much energy to try to extrapolate feats rather than to just take them for what they are.

True except for Sanji Queen and Yamato

 

[Kachon123]

remember you used to say he was holding back and stuff and saying he's faster than gear 5

I don't think I ever said he was faster than gear 5 Luffy. Also, him holding back is an inarguable fact, not a bias.

Bro... Monkeman showed an out of context luffy fighting kizaru (just his lasers) to say kizaru was keeping up with gear 5, and then showed Lucci presumably getting blitzed from a gear 5 attack even tho both are completely different situations and attacks

I mean if Luffy and Kizaru were able to scuffle continuously without one being able to tag the other with any significant attacks, then doesn't that imply relativity?

and then showed Lucci presumably getting blitzed from a gear 5 attack even tho both are completely different situations and attacks

Yeah, I agree with this, but at the end of the day, Kizaru is much, much faster than Lucci.

I mean, Luffy while SLEEPING was easily dodging Luffy's attacks and could blitz him with any named attack. Kizaru on the other hand, while still inferior in speed to Luffy, was at least able to scuffle with him momentarily, which is better than any speed feat Lucci showed.

I personally see keeping up with Snakeman and scuffling with Gear 5 (Kizaru) > not being able to blitz Sentomaru even with Soru (Lucci)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And I don't really have biases for anyone when having an agendaless conversation like this or in vs matches.

Hard to believe... Especially whenever you said kizaru beats kaido if I remember correctly or is faster?

 

[Kachon123]

True except for Sanji Queen and Yamato

Queen agenda is wild

I guess for Yamato I just interpret her fight with Kaidou much much differently than other people do, and paired with me simply not liking the character, it seems that way.

 

[Kachon123]

Especially whenever you said kizaru beats kaido if I remember correctly or is faster?

I never said either of these

I don't think Kaidou being > Kizaru or Kuzan individually is a bad take at all. I just think saying he 2v1s easily is insane.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Queen agenda is wild

I guess for Yamato I just interpret her fight with Kaidou much much differently than other people do, and paired with me simply not liking the character, it seems that way.

Queen agenda's not a bad thing, he's an absolute pimp.
Yamato isn't a pimp but I like her. Would like her way more without the Oden thing though.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I never said either of these

idk bro you said something... I remember something very bad of you defending kizaru and it making no sense at all

 

[Kachon123]

idk bro you said something... I remember something very bad of you defending kizaru and it making no sense at all

Never in my life have I had Kizaru above Kaidou lmao that's ridiculous.

 

[Kachon123]

Queen agenda's not a bad thing, he's an absolute pimp.
Yamato isn't a pimp but I like her. Would like her way more without the Oden thing though.

I respect anyone who has a Queen agenda. It's just funny that you say I have one because I don't think I do.

I really like Queen though. He's funny as hell and his powers are cool.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This Kizaru and Kaido stuff reminds me of the time Admiral fans on worstgen were saying that his "You truly are the man who defeated Kaido!" line was similar to a line Cracker or Brulee said about Luffy beating Doffy and Cracker being sent after Luffy after that
So basically the gist of the argument was to try and make people who said Cracker > Doffy say Kizaru > Kaido since Kizaru and Cracker had similar lines in their fight against Luffy or something
It was really dumb and I'm pretty sure it was actually just Doffy wankers trying to brainwash us

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This Kizaru and Kaido stuff reminds me of the time Admiral fans on worstgen were saying that his "You truly are the man who defeated Kaido!" line was similar to a line Cracker or Brulee said about Luffy beating Doffy and Cracker being sent after Luffy after that
So basically the gist of the argument was to try and make people who said Cracker > Doffy say Kizaru > Kaido since Kizaru and Cracker had similar lines in their fight against Luffy or something
It was really dumb and I'm pretty sure it was actually just Doffy wankers trying to brainwash us

And if it sounds like I'm having a stroke trying to explain it trust me you'd have a much bigger one reading the actual comments in those threads.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Never in my life have I had Kizaru above Kaidou lmao that's ridiculous.

I definitely remember you saying Kizaru is equal to gear 5 and that he's holding back... WIth no solid proof as well

 

[Kachon123]

I definitely remember you saying Kizaru is equal to gear 5 and that he's holding back...

Cite your sources pal.

 

[Kachon123]

It was really dumb and I'm pretty sure it was actually just Doffy wankers trying to brainwash us

I swear Doffy wankers have infiltrated every fanbase in OP

 

[SlendVeny]

Never in my life have I had Kizaru above Kaidou lmao that's ridiculous.

MoL just likes to memorize every take people have so so as to bring it up if they ever disagree with an agenda.

 

[Kachon123]

MoL just likes to memorize every take people have so so as to bring it up if they ever disagree with an agenda.

You can't teach hating like that. I respect it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Cite your sources pal.

has far better AP: Clashing with Gear 5 Luffy

easily blocking hits from Gear 4 and Gear 5 Luffy

This is also ignoring the fact that Kizaru was nerfed this entire time (stating that he can't go all out in fear of destroying Vegapunk's tech, his mission being to go after Vegapunk and not necessarily defeat Luffy while Luffy was actively trying to take Kizaru out, stating that he's having mental troubles since he has to take down people he cares about like Sentomaru, Bonney, and Vegapunk)

All these are simply cap (I swear if you start defending any one these again )

 

[Fireld]

You can't teach hating like that. I respect it.

Sith Lords do that

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I swear Doffy wankers have infiltrated every fanbase in OP

The funniest thing about it is they'll say retcons don't exist (this is so that, if Doffy comes back and is as strong as Queen or King, they can say he always was) but then mention that Doffy was originally a subordinate of Kaido's before Oda changed it so he was a Warlord who had his own crew and territory.
And they'll also say Warlords > Commanders when again, Doffy was originally a Commander, lol.

 

[Kachon123]

All these are simply cap (I swear if you start defending any one these again )

You: "You said Kizaru > Kaidou"

Me: "Cite your sources"

You: *Posts me saying Kizaru > Ace

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You: "You said Kizaru > Kaidou"

Me: "Cite your sources"

You said cite your sources to this comment

I definitely remember you saying Kizaru is equal to gear 5 and that he's holding back... WIth no solid proof as well

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You: "You said Kizaru > Kaidou"

Me: "Cite your sources"

You: *Posts me saying Kizaru > Ace

Also in that post you said Kizaru and Ace have relative Kenbun, but I don't recall any Kenbun feats Kizaru has.

 

[Kachon123]

You said cite your sources to this comment

Clashing ≠ being equal. We know this.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

MoL just likes to memorize every take people have so so as to bring it up if they ever disagree with an agenda.

I'll remember every UNTRUTH!!!! I REMEMBER PEOPLE PUTTING ROGER UNDER MIHAWK FOR NO REASON AT ALL AND SAYING ROGER ISN'T THE STRONGEST BECAUSE BEING THE PIRATE KING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STRENGTH... If that's not pure bias idk what is

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Clashing ≠ being equal. We know this.

you implied it... You even say
easily blocking hits from Gear 4 and Gear 5 Luffy

 

[Kachon123]

you implied it... You even say
easily blocking hits from Gear 4 and Gear 5 Luffy

Is that a false statement?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also in that post you said Kizaru and Ace have relative Kenbun, but I don't recall any Kenbun feats Kizaru has.

hearing feat, and sensing goroesi if I remember correctly... Which would put him relative tho slightly inferior since... Actually not really.. Both simply relative then

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Is that a false statement?

yes. Kizaru never easily blocked hits from gear 5

Only feats he has is surviving punches from casual gear 5

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I'll remember every UNTRUTH!!!! I REMEMBER PEOPLE PUTTING ROGER UNDER MIHAWK FOR NO REASON AT ALL AND SAYING ROGER ISN'T THE STRONGEST BECAUSE BEING THE PIRATE KING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STRENGTH... If that's not pure bias idk what is

Cool it pops

 

[Kachon123]

yes. Kizaru never easily blocked hits from gear 5

Ok

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ok

you welcome