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add TauanVictor's vote for Sanji btw
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Marco vs Sanji: The Battle of Queen's daddies.
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Which is baseless. Sanji is faster than Marco according to the wiki and you can literally just read the manga or the proof I sent you.
Faster than Sanji based on? Those opponents are more skilled than Sanji based on?
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Sanji is obviously faster than Marco, no clue why that’s even being debated
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Saying " this character is __ than Sanji based on? " isn't actually a valid argument, FYI. But I'll humor you. It's based on the fact that Kizaru is a light man, and light is incredibly fast. It's that simple.
Not to the point where he's blitzing Marco's reactions though.
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I'm not arguing anything. I'm questioning what you said, as it has no basis or even scans attached to support your claim.
Last time I checked, Sanji is blitz levels above 8x the speed of light.
Not true actually. Queen could react to Marco's attacks, and Base Sanji was able to completely blitz Queen. Sanji has more speed amps to stack on top of that already blitz level above Marco with Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe.
Now I ask you again, how exactly is Marco faster than Sanji?
DaMonkeMan
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Any scans as proof?
Also like I said, Marco was literally tagging and clashing with the Admirals as well as Big Mom, so I don't see why you'd downplay his speed/reactions even if Sanji is faster than him.
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All the characters you named are slower than Sanji. They're speed scaling is much lower on the chain.
Kizaru ~ Akainu ~ 1 Homie Big Mom ~ Marco ~ Queen Reactions < Onigashima Diable Sanji (blitz) << Post-Exo Base Sanji < Diable Post-Exo Sanji < Ifrit Post-Exo Sanji
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah sure, Queen saw Marco, but he still couldn't react in time. Also Marco injured Queen and knocked King around a few times, so he'll likely be able to put down Sanji before Sanji activates his speed amps.
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With what? The shockwaves that he'd regenerate from?
He doesn't need his speed amps to still be cleanly above Marco in speed. Plus, his usage of Kenbun would allow him to avoid Marco's attacks and counter quite easily.
DaMonkeMan
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Marco also has Kenbun, fyi. Also I'm not sure Sanji would survive a shockwave to the brain
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Why not?
DaMonkeMan
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Just doesn't seem possible. Even for Sanji.
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Usopp was able to survive a shockwave to the head. Sanji, who has regen and arguably better endurance than Usopp should be able to survive that.
DaMonkeMan
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Usopp also got headbutted by Ulti and ran through a brick wall by that mole lady from Baroque Works, he's a freak of nature.
Also did you notice Sanji's head is the only part that didn't get crushed during that attack from Queen?
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Sanji has much better endurance feats than those lmao. Nice try though I guess.
DaMonkeMan
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Right. Like the time he got his leg cracked by Vergo? Or the time he nearly got ripped in half by King?
Which reminds me, what's stopping Marco from ripping Sanji apart with his talons/beak?
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And continued to fight and knock Vergo around despite having a cracked leg?
And got up right after just to get tortured by Black Maria, then right after that fight Queen?
The fact that Sanji is now more resistant to cutting attacks due to his exoskeleton. Or he could just you know, dodge?
DaMonkeMan
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Sure, but his exoskeleton isn't that strong, and Marco has dura neg attacks ( like that shockwave attack he used on Queen ) anyway.
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Bro what the hell
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Didn't take damage from Queen.
DaMonkeMan
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Sanji isn't taking a shockwave to his vital organs lol. He even avoided stuff like Queen's lasers. If he thought he could take that and regen from that he wouldn't dodge it.
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What the hell are you talking about. We LITERALLY just had a conversation about how he would be able to. Matter of fact HE LITERALLY DID IN SKYPIEA.
This is the most stupid argument I've ever heard.
DaMonkeMan
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Dude was coughing up blood from the attack and got repelled and you think he'd still take a shockwave well?
Mind you Marco's shockwave is stronger than that one.
DaMonkeMan
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most mature sanji fanboy ^
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Kachon, Monkeman is simply debating and you're lashing out at him.
Enough.
I refuse to continue this thread until @KingTempest gives his input
Enough.
I refuse to continue this thread until @KingTempest gives his input
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I debunk his shitty excuses for arguments over and over and over again, and he just keeps repeating it.
I'm done with this thread. I'm unfollowing it. Remove my vote if you want I don't really give a flying **** about this anymore.
DaMonkeMan
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Dude it's a vsbattles thread you're getting kind of heated honestly
Sorry if I'm frustrating you right now but it's just a friendly little debate about One Piece at the end of the day.
Edit: tbf though you're not really providing solid evidence as to why Sanji would beat Marco so it's hard to really agree with some of the things you say..
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sounds good.
DaMonkeMan
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BTW isn't KingTempest done with One Piece, Eseseso? I don't know if we should rely on him to come to this thread.
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Isn’t Kizaru faster than Akainu? Based on being the faster Admiral? Or that doesn’t apply for Fleet Admiral Akainu?
DaMonkeMan
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I just saw this comment from KT that basically confirms that Sanji's AP isn't as good as Marco's https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-wano-arc-part-1-ap-revisions-the-dawn.138182/post-4863543
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When was it stated that Kizaru is the fastest admiral?
Even if that was the case, that still doesn't change anything.
DaMonkeMan
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I guess I'm gonna clean this all up now by disproving Sanji's speed and durability:
Sanji dodging lasers was due to him having Observation and the lasers having a visual cue ( Queen saying the name of the attack and his eyes sparking when it charged up ), it's not exactly a speed/reaction feat, he just had common sense and jumped out of the way.
Compare this to Marco coming out of no where to intercept a giant ball of light from Kizaru ( Kizaru also has Observation, btw, and didn't see that coming still )
About him going fast enough to turn invisible: That'd probably work for a bit, but Marco will probably still be able to tag him/see him due to Observation Haki. And as Queen pointed out, after a while he's going to grow tired of it and stop doing it due to his stamina, so it'd just be like this eventually:
His durability is formidable, but Marco has dura neg ( if you want a full list for why he can hurt Sanji look at the one KingTempest made that I posted some minutes ago ) and Sanji's exoskeleton still has it's limits ( he did tank Queen's sword, but he said ouch and it dented his facial cheek a bit. And it's the same for him getting his bones crushed, he still remarked that it stung a bit, he evidently felt pain regardless ).
Sanji dodging lasers was due to him having Observation and the lasers having a visual cue ( Queen saying the name of the attack and his eyes sparking when it charged up ), it's not exactly a speed/reaction feat, he just had common sense and jumped out of the way.
Compare this to Marco coming out of no where to intercept a giant ball of light from Kizaru ( Kizaru also has Observation, btw, and didn't see that coming still )
About him going fast enough to turn invisible: That'd probably work for a bit, but Marco will probably still be able to tag him/see him due to Observation Haki. And as Queen pointed out, after a while he's going to grow tired of it and stop doing it due to his stamina, so it'd just be like this eventually:
His durability is formidable, but Marco has dura neg ( if you want a full list for why he can hurt Sanji look at the one KingTempest made that I posted some minutes ago ) and Sanji's exoskeleton still has it's limits ( he did tank Queen's sword, but he said ouch and it dented his facial cheek a bit. And it's the same for him getting his bones crushed, he still remarked that it stung a bit, he evidently felt pain regardless ).
It's pretty obvious, since he can turn into light and travel at light speed, and that's mixed with the fact that he's fast even without his DF, just not as fast as he is with his DF.
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So Kizaru being the fastest admiral has 0 statements, and is headcannon, is what I'm hearing.
Are you ignoring Kizaru saying "yasakani no magatama"?
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His Vivre card
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Great. That still doesn't change anything.
DaMonkeMan
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Who cares? Marco still wasn't there when the attack was unleashed but he appeared right before it hit Whitebeard.So Kizaru being the fastest admiral has 0 statements, and is headcannon, is what I'm hearing.
Are you ignoring Kizaru saying "yasakani no magatama"?
