DaMonkeMan
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I didn't know that
I should read those more
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Marco vs Sanji: The Battle of Queen's daddies.
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I should read those more
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And it was still calced to be less than the speed of light.
DaMonkeMan
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and Jack was calced to be 6-A
They do what they want with these characters.
Anyway, like I said, the speed won't matter if he can't put Marco down or get past his defense
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Dude wtf?
Speed 100% matters. Marco's Undying Thistle (if he even will use it which is unlikely) is literally a disk of flames. Sanji can easily avoid it by going around him without Marco noticing as he's much faster.
DaMonkeMan
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No he couldn't. Marco could snipe Queen in the neck with a fireball and Queen didn't even know it was coming until it nailed him in the throat. I doubt Sanji could fully avoid his attacks in time.
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1. Queen was in the middle of an attack
2. Queen didn't even know Marco was there
3. Queen wasn't even aiming for Marco
Your doubts mean nothing when the scaling chain disagrees with you.
DaMonkeMan
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Sure he was in the middle of an attack but it was still aimed straight at his throat. Plus he has Observation. He should have seen it coming and yet he didn't.
So it seems like Sanji would end up like this
Eminiteable
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Queen has doodoo tier observation
DaMonkeMan
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Still, it was an attack aimed at his throat.
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Doesn't matter, he was focused on Hyogoro and charging up his laser. He wouldn't have noticed Marco, we know Queen can react to Marco's attacks when he's actually focused on him as shown with the crane talon attack.
DaMonkeMan
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Didn't he still get hit?
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Because he was lifting up rubble and didn't have much time or space to move away?
DaMonkeMan
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I don't care, but Eminiteable said it like Queen was looking right at Marco or something.
Eminiteable
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He still reacted to his speed when moments prior he wasn't even aware Marco was going to attack him again.
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah, and Marco got speed blitzed by Garp but saw him about to punch his face, did it change the fact that he couldn't react to it in time?He still reacted to his speed when moments prior he wasn't even aware Marco was going to attack him again.
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Do you know what a speed blitz is?
DaMonkeMan
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That's literally the definition of it. He jumped and punch him so fast that he couldn't properly react to it.
And in a similar manner, Marco scratched Queen's face despite Queen seeing his talons approaching.
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Eminiteable
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That's not a speed blitz as Marco was able to react to his attack prior to it landing.
Queen can react to Marco's speed, this is proven, Sanji can move so fast Queen cannot perceive him so it's pretty conclusive that Sanji's faster than Marco.
DaMonkeMan
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Sure they can see the attacks, but they literally can't react fast enough. That is the whole point. Whether or not you can see it doesn't matter, it's if you can react to it.That's not a speed blitz as Marco was able to react to his attack prior to it landing.
Queen can react to Marco's speed, this is proven, Sanji can move so fast Queen cannot perceive him so it's pretty conclusive that Sanji's faster than Marco.
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Based on the post I originally replied too it seems like your point was that Queen should have seen the attack coming, the reasons I provided were why he didn't but he absolutely can see/perceive Marco's attacks coming:
You could still argue that Queen can react/dodge Marco's attacks had he not been getting out of rubble while he was attacked but that wasn't the point I was making.
DaMonkeMan
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Well what ever. I still don't think Sanji could absolutely blitz him even if he's faster.
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Again, what you think is irrelevant when it is contradicted by facts, the manga, and the scaling chain.
DaMonkeMan
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What scaling chain?
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Marco's speed is relative to Queen's reactions which Sanji is ~3 blitz levels above
DaMonkeMan
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3 blitz levels above? I've rarely seen him blitz Queen. He mostly hit him when he was off guard.
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In Kizaru’s Databook if u want i can send the scan
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Yeah i didn’t mean to correct you on Sanji vs Marco lol i say Sanji takes the W too FRA but i just quoted it bc u said Akainu is ~ Kizaru in speed
DaMonkeMan
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is that a vote for Sanji? If you have a good reason for it then the votes are 2-3 in Marco's favor still
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Voting Sanji FRA
DaMonkeMan
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3-3.
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Sanji FRA
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DaMonkeMan
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Tauan just said " Sanji FRA " and dipped, not to mention that iirc the points that made him vote for Sanji were disproved
but what ever, anyway @Eseseso there's more votes
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Same with Cloverz?
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I don't think any of my points I made at that point were disproven
DaMonkeMan
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well you can confront them about it if you think they need to actually speak on the thread instead of just saying " __ FRA! " and falling into the shadow realm, but I don't care that much, it's just a vs match lol.
DaMonkeMan
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What were they? brief summary if you want.
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More durable
Far faster
Buso potency to negate regen and fire
Regen to handle shockwaves
Better at close fighting
More skilled
Superior stamina
DaMonkeMan
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Sure but Marco can still hurt him due to higher AP.
I guess, but his best speed amp ( going "invisible" ) was only used when Queen did it, to show him that he wasn't special in Sanji's eyes. I doubt he'd use it here.
Doesn't work as well when both fighters have Haki on the same level.
Sure, but I doubt his regen could really help him if he got hit hard enough for, say, his brain to fall apart. Plus it's just putting his bones back in place, so it's basically just body control for his bones.
I suppose he is, but even then Marco was capable of fighting 2 Commanders in CQC and giving them some nasty injuries ( or atleast giving Queen some nasty injuries, he just negged King's flames and knocked him around a bit but King was relatively fine ) and could also clash with Akainu.
Sure.
Not sure about this one however. Marco lasted an entire war, whilst fighting the Admirals and trying to save Ace, and he didn't falter or get tired even when he got socked by Garp and crashed into the ground. Meanwhile Sanji was fighting Queen for several minutes and fell unconscious after knocking him off the island.
