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I'm trying to visualize this in my brain (it's late, maybe not the best idea), but the way I see it is that leaning forward would let him swing his arm further back without making contact with his torso
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I think I get what you mean but wouldn't his position have to be rotated slightly to the right instead of down?
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Maybe? Honestly, I think I'll return to this later, when it's not late for me.
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It'll be likely close to 180 degrees but maybe that curve we see can cover this difference?
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Yeah, it is really long to be fair.
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Actually the move could be to not use a timeframe based on the anime itself and to assume a reasonable timeframe.
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"Reasonable" is extremely subjective, got any suggestions?
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By the way, Therefir said that he doesn't like my method. If you have looked at it in detail, may I know your thoughts?
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No because he leans forward as well. Its almost touching his rib area anyway
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Can it really calculate F = w/s as lifting strength from punching? The first calculation using only the weight of the arm, I'm okay with that, but the calculation of Force from punching, which is considered lifting strength, is… hmm, can used?
So, can the calculation resulting from the punch of a giant or a normal person calculate force in this way? Cuz normally, punching is not considered lifting strength if we're just considering normal-sized people. Or Is there a distinction between sizes, large or normal?
So, can the calculation resulting from the punch of a giant or a normal person calculate force in this way? Cuz normally, punching is not considered lifting strength if we're just considering normal-sized people. Or Is there a distinction between sizes, large or normal?
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I'm not going to agree with assuming a timeframe when we have one right there
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That's fair, I'm just saying that my proposial wasn't to ditch the feat altogether.
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I wasn't saying yours was. That was Vzearr's proposal
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Ah, okay.
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Damage does raise some valid concern about the use of the last frame, which just seems to be depicting the aftermath of the punch rather than its motion.
If we were to calculate the speed of the fist using any of the previous frames, we would most likely get much lower results, though they would be more accurate with the on-screen movement of the fist.
If we were to calculate the speed of the fist using any of the previous frames, we would most likely get much lower results, though they would be more accurate with the on-screen movement of the fist.
If we ditch the anime all together, I propose using the time it takes someone to execute a straight punch, which is apparently 0.3 seconds.
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I could settle for that.
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Yeah I could work with that in a worst-case scenario
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I disagree with this, Luffy's punch is a completely different motion in comparison to a straight punch, his punch would also traverse more distance.
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That's just a result of his fist being much larger, which is canceled out by the obviously superhuman strength Luffy has given he could throw out the Bajrang Gun with no issue to begin with. And it does coincide with how fast the punch is depicted to be
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It would traverse more distance even if it was the same size as a normal human arm.
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The difference in time is something I'd consider negligible, especially in lieu of allegedly better options
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I disagree, considering the different motion and the difference in distance being traversed, I'd expect the timeframe to be exponentially lower.
Yes, I do think there are better options, I just wanted to express my distaste for what was being suggested.
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Both are motions that take substantially less than a second to do. The distance being traversed is much less substantially different than what you're claiming it is. The timeframe may be different, but I have my doubts on it being significant enough for us to not go with this option
What do you propose, then? And no, I'm not going to agree with "axe the calc entirely"
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Also I'd like to return to this since I said I would.
Thinking about it now, I think the really important thing is that the arm is much longer than a normal arm, so it's much more easily able to fully wrap around at a 180 degree angle than a normal arm is
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I think it's a low end in any case, Gabriel Varga takes 0.2 seconds for his fist to cover a similar distance and angle as Luffy's punch.
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Yes, both motions would take less then a second, I just think that a long hook traversing 180 degrees would take a lot longer then a straight punch that has to traverse half that distance.
I'm not saying to cut out the option entirely. The option could be fine if we use a punch that's similar to Luffy's.
Your calc would probably be fine if we changed the distance moved to 90 degrees and the timeframe to 9 frames.
Yeah.
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What do you think about the above?
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Yes I agree. The 90 degree stuff was referring to the 9 frames of his initial movement.
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Hold on, are you referring that this portion of the arm should be taken into account when measuring the distance traveled by the punch?
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I really just mean that because the arm is as long as it is, the giant fist traveling a full 180 degrees is much easier
Edit: But, I was a bit curious about why the arm itself isn't being considered (only the fist itself)
Edit: But, I was a bit curious about why the arm itself isn't being considered (only the fist itself)
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That's my reasoning as well. I was mainly saying this in response to Vzearr's concern about how this should end with Luffy's arm being right at his rib cage - as that doesn't necessarily need to be the case with how long his arm is
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So "don't use a given timeframe and assume one"
no
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If the given timeframe is questionable, then yeah. (I know you don't think it is questionable in this scenario)
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I'm just finding reason for it to require an alternative
All the reasons I see are bunk. "It stops moving here, it speeds up here, it moves here, Kaidou's face stays here"
It looks less like "this is questionable" and more like "we don't like it"
All the reasons I see are bunk. "It stops moving here, it speeds up here, it moves here, Kaidou's face stays here"
It looks less like "this is questionable" and more like "we don't like it"
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Okay.
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It's him yanking an island size fist at MHS+ speeds, that's lifting
Someone who needs like 3 seconds to curl a 25 lb dumbbell once vs someone who can curl it 20 times in a second obviously have different lifting strengths
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Looking back at the video of Luffy punching Kaidou, it's clear to me that I disagree with using that 10 frame crap in any way shape or form
The feat is Luffy rotating his fist. In the entire process of the ten frames prior to the switch to Luffy's fist facing the screen, Luffy's fist is still straight ahead facing Kaidou.
Don't use anything in that 10 frame span of Kaidou's face moving sideways when Luffy's fist didn't even move in that video shot. We don't see his fist at all, all we see is his fat ass wrist
The feat is Luffy rotating his fist. In the entire process of the ten frames prior to the switch to Luffy's fist facing the screen, Luffy's fist is still straight ahead facing Kaidou.
Don't use anything in that 10 frame span of Kaidou's face moving sideways when Luffy's fist didn't even move in that video shot. We don't see his fist at all, all we see is his fat ass wrist
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The 10/24 is just wrong, if you wanna use 0.2-0.3 then you need to up the distance since the actual punch is more than just a regular 180º punch
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