To add onto your point, here are the buffs to this instance over the one where Luffy dogged on a beam of light:
And luffy did the same with another situation with better obs Haki and called it too fast so that doesn't matter...?
I know where this logic comes from. But what I'm curious about is where the numbers come from. 0.000000003336 mathematically (I know where the numbers come from. (0.000000003336 comes from dividing 1 by 299792458, which is the speed of light.) What I'm curious about is why this logic is used to give a time frame for how a person can respond to light.
This can be a matter of distance being much shorter and and how long Kaidous preperation before luanching the attack was. Not even talking about How the were moving at eachother.
well the difference is that those don't involve any statements to them (I'm assuming)
Since luffy with future sight and enhanced senses could barely react to kaido and called it too fast so you'll then use that method as it's about reacting
ok, I think I'll wait and see the calc group's comments as well, because this still doesn't make me understand how to pick numbers as low as 0.000000003336 will be a good choice.
these are extra assumptions to something that don't matter or involve the statements... Luffy clearly reacts to the movement and refers only to the movement not the preparation or anything else
that is the accepted number for LS reactions?
Asumptions???? They are extremly important to be able to do a proper calc. It is also important to be precise to minimise the chance of something being wrong. calling all of the irrelevent for the feat is like you are trying to scale only the attack speed, and not actually the Perception or reaction speed. To calulate any type of speed we Need a time and distance whice we can get through various calulations, and anything that can affect it is relevent and need to be mentioned in the calc. For example, a SoL attack that takes 5 sec to load, and is 1km away from the target, and the target manages to barley dodge, will natrualy be much less of a speed feat then a instant SoL attack fired from 1 meter.
Hmm? I don't think you understand the calculation's method then
Again, you are not reading what i said. The first one is no where near fast enough to be called SoL reaction or perception from. The distance, preperation time, acceleration, motion. Is far slower then the 2nd feat. It is by no means enough to randomly say "it is atleast SoL" We can only go with "higher"
The bolded part is where the calc stacking begins - though as CloverDragon pointed out earlier there is currently an ongoing thread to address this.
Yes, this is what I thought too.
thought so, but may i ask where the ongoing thread is?
Well how fast you think luffy's reaction is doesn't matter, as the statement alone confirms it to be "atleast SoL"
Also, the scans says "it's so fast" not "It is to fast"
It really dosen't.
Same thing and doesn't matter...
It really dose.
Is there any statement that the incoming attack was at the speed of light?No its not. Luffy just verbatim states that LS is too slow to tag him.
It literally cannot be calc-stacking it involves only itself and makes only one assumption using this manga panel. Also multiple threads have been made about this topic already.
It is a lazer so it is natrualy at SoL, They just ignored distance, how long it took for Kuma to fire, and Luffys precog.
In my opinion, the distance from which the attack came is also important. How far away does he call an attack "too slow"? If it is a long distance and we do the calculations, maybe it will not have a speed of ftl. In this case, a contradiction may arise. But I don't know much about One Piece, I don't know the context. I'm just stating my opinion. Also, there is no SoL statment for attack, I think it could be a calc stack but admins know better than me.
It doesn't need a statement if it obviously moves at the speed of light. These are literal laser/light beams Luffy is dodging, which comes from a Pacifista (a robot)
What I mean is, is the distance of the attack clear? Because not every character running away from light has the speed of light, it varies depending on the distance. I think Luffy's "too slow" statement may change accordingly. I also think we need statment to calculate other characters from this success.
Luffy starts moving when its less than meter away.
It's made from the powers of the Light Logia, which is stated to be SoL.
I calculate success According to argument number 4 of this new thread.
vsbattles.fandom.com
We can clearly see that when Sanji traveled 6 m, a large amount of laser light had already been fired. I don't think measuring total distance is such a good option. And the explosion we saw may have been an explosion from the laser that was fired after the first shot. The assumption that he was just moving to avoid getting hit by the laser seems safer to me.
Here's the thread by the way
Why this assumption is that sanji allowed himself to be attacked to jump, I don't understand.
