Are you joking? You would be assuming it just hit the ground which highballs it, we don't actually know when it hit the ground during Sanji's jump which is why the lowball is proposed. Unless you can prove it just hit the ground as Sanji completed his jump (which you can't, you're going off the personal feeling that it just hit the ground because an explosion that's already expanded multiple meters).
Pretty sure lasers are shown with big explosions instantly when they explode in OP, and they disappear very quickly iirc.
The sfx in the panel heavily points to the explosion going off and Sanji's jump reaching its peak occurring at the same time.
The fact that the explosion hits the ground tells us that the beam travels to the ground. That means the light travels further than the distance we calculated. That's right, I also said there's no need to jump 6 meters when the beam hits the ground. He just had to jump to avoid being hit by the beam in that moment. After that, when the explosion happened, (This is outside the time frame we calculated based on the movement of light.) Sanji will be able to float up to a height of 6 meters, which is outside the time frame we calculated.
Queen shoots a barrage of beams in specific columns as depicted below:
No of course, you guys forgot that the time frame was calculated by how we calculated the movement of the first beam to reach Sanji's most recent position. The fact that it exploded means it was outside of our calculated time frame.
That upper line of fire is a whole 'nother timeframe.Queen shoots a barrage of beams in specific columns as depicted below:
In order to avoid being in the possible line of fire, it makes sense that Sanji would need to jump a height of 6 meters, even though all the beams would eventually hit the ground.
Regardless, we know for a fact that in order to avoid the beams, Sanji would need to be above Queen's line of fire, which we see is roughly equal to Queen's own height of 6.12 meters, so the 6.8 meter figure is consistent.
Sparking Queen is a perfect replica of Ichiji's Sparking Valkyrie.
This is clearly wrong seeing as all of the beams are at different distances.
Those lasers would be out of the timeframe calculated because they aren't the initial shot lasers.
My friend, that is literally how the attack works. We even see it 2 pages later.
The initial shot lasers would occupy the space inside of the line of fire. If Sanji only jumped halfway through the line of fire, he would've gotten hit by beams. Since he didn't we know for a fact that by the time the initial shot lasers reached his initial position, Sanji was already above their line of fire.
The sfx for the explosion literally comes up when Sanji reaches the apex of the jump. You just keep shouting "highball" this and "personal feelings" that without much substance, and it's frankly getting tiring seeing this deliberate attempt to paint the opposition as nonsensical
Yes, he just has to move above Queen's line of fire as you said in the first picture. If you measure the distance accordingly, you will get the following result.
yee I don't see how that is the actual timeframe at all, sanji moves in one linear motion to dodge all of the lasers not just one, so the actual timeframe would be where he's leg starts to appear which is a decrease in speed, signified by how it is stretching out, making it a blur to then a more visable sanjiI calculate success According to argument number 4 of this new thread.
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The beams are at different distance, they physically can't have been shot at the same time.My friend, that is literally how the attack works. We even see it 2 pages later.
I don't think you guys understand, do you think we're saying he stopped after jumping the distance Shadow calced? No. He was still moving at fast speed, the distance calced is the initial distance he would of had to move the dodge the initial beams, the extra distance you guys are calculating would include the other beams shot which would require a different timeframe, so no he wouldn't have been hit.
Your pixel scaling is bad.
Yes, I prefer your scans. I'll change it like this. And we also have a bit more discussion about the distance light travels. Did old calculations measure the distance from Queen to Sanji too much in 2D? I also tried using Pythagoras to make it look more 3D.Your pixel scaling is bad.
Sanji: 196.3 px | 1.8 m
Jump Distance: 729.8 px | 6.69 m
If you want to change the calc for a 0.2 meter difference, then sure, but for right now, KT's calc is by far the best.
Just like how Ichiji and Queen's beams that are shot from their eyes can't physically been shot from behind and above his own head? Oh wait
Like I said above, if you want to the calc to be changed to account for the <0.2 meter difference, then technically you can, but this is a very clear case of nitpicking.
Highly suggest you stop with this dismissive attitude immediately. This isn't the first time you've done this.
I'd highly suggest you didn't resort to BS headcanon and useless conjecture based on your personal beliefs, and actually bring hard evidence for whatever it is you're proposing. None of this "He only needs to move X amount to dodge" crap. No. BRING. ME. EVIDENCE THAT HE ACTUALLY MOVED THIS FAR.
Clover already addressed this in his comment, and I'd suggest you take it to heart: Drop this dismissiveness right now and provide evidence for your claims, or just don't make CRTs like this.
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For scan 1:Could you guys take a look at my calculations again? I adjusted the distance the light travels to make it look more 3D.
I was able to use Sanji's original travel distance of 6.8 m, but that still made him a Relativistic+ is good in my calculations.One Piece - Sanji dodges the laser beams
I was going to bring this up as well actually.
You're over-reacting.
What evidence do you need? Provide evidence Sanji moved the full distance before the beam landed on his original position, you can't.
What SFX?!!? The ******* "DA DA" ?! How is that evidence? Seriously.
I use ang-sizing to find the distance using the depth axis of the image. And I used the contralateral line as the distance along the x-axis. When I used the Pythagorean formula, we got the distance from the Queen's feet to Sanji's feet. After that, I used Queen's height, because the Queen was looking down and firing the beam. Enter Sanji, if you say just the opposite angle is enough. I think we had to use Pythagoras because the Queen lowered her head and fired a beam at Sanji anyway, so that gives us The distance that light travels:
ok, most people seem to think so. So I'll do that.
No I'm not. This is perfectly in line with what you've been doing for the last couple of weeks.
Clover already did. That and if he didn't jump the explosion would propel him instead and it'd enter the realm of "Not a speed feat, potentially aim-dodging, can't be calc'd".
Okay I think a strong warning is in order for this one.
Again, it isn't that extreme bruv, a simple diagonal line to find the distance would've sufficed.
Well no, the "Da Da" is the rapid-fire light. The "Da Doom" is the explosion going off from the light making contact with the ground, which happens at the same time as Sanji reaches the apex of the jump
Read this:
If he gets hit, it's not even a feat to begin with and was never calculable to start.
That would then be the sound happening at the same time Sanji reaches the apex of his jump. Which would be completely different.
That's my point exactly. By the time the light makes contact with the ground to trigger that, Sanji reaches the apex of his jump
Wouldn't that give us a distance that light travels that is too low? I think a thread has already been discussed about this. We should make the values as accurate as possible.
Why is the value being low suddenly a problem? Also, the more accurate way would be to simply draw a line given that the depth difference and angle difference is not remotely as extreme as you make it out to be. At this point it isn't accuracy, it's just needless nitpicking and pedantry.
I hope you realize that KingTempest assuming that Queen fired the beams when Sanji's feet hit the ground is already a lowball right?
Queen's Nose: 175 px | 0.34971428571429 m
Laser Width: 16 px | 0.031973877551013 m
Laser Width: 16.6 px | 0.031973877551013 m
Explosion Radius: 642.8 px | 1.2381209933604 m
Queen was aiming for Sanji so that means that in order for him to avoid being hit by the explosions, he had to have moved a distance at least as big as the radius of said explosions
Sanji repositioning and rotating his body (~90º for repositioning + an additional ~90º for rotating his body during the jump): 1.8 * 180 * pi/180 = 5.65486678 m
Total Sanji Movement: 5.65486678 m
Speed: 5.65486678/0.53047739757 = 10.659958c
Ok, agreed to that.
