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No? There are like 9 frames where fist doesn't collide with anything, and it still hardly even moves.
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The past 8 pages have been dedicated to discussing this and we came to the conclusion that it's unreliable, unless you can debunk what was previously said, the decision to ditch the last frame will likely remain.
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Weren't they clashing in most of those frames? And wouldn't Luffy putting more effort into the swing to finish Kaidou off explain this?
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Pretty much all arguments from incredulity tbh
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You'd need to prove that.
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Is this your debunk
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No, the other sequences were slowed down. This is because they were padding the episodes. Once the fight has reached its climax, there is no more need to extend the movements, hence the single frame.
This just stems from personal preference. It’s not an argument.
Sure, but Luffy’s fist hadn’t fully accelerated and he would have put more force into the final swing.
You could if you put more work in. Also Gear 5 explicitly can ignore the laws of physics so…
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I can agree with the low and mid-low end
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All that being said, I don’t have a huge problem with 0.2 seconds+linear distance combined with the bend, rather I believe that 1 frame is superior
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So you mean that after he already finished punch, he lowly accelerates and after 9 frames he just randomly puts more force just to swing his fist in the air than when he was punching Kaido?
That 9 frames timeframe is just slowed but if you somehow could prove that he was accelerating the result would be higher.
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He was punching Kaidou when he puts his whole back into it. He hasn’t fully hit when they were clashing but after he won the clash he hit Kaidou as hard as he could to finish him off.
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Can you prove that?
Wouldn't the climax be the punch? You know there isn't only one part to that punch, he also moved his punch forward a few seconds before the 1 frame sequence, then we see Kaido's face turning implying rotation, etc.
Why would he put more force into his swing after hitting and swinging Kaido...
Why would he?
So?
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I literally explained why below.
It was. The singlular frame after his fist reaches full acceleration and he turns around. He was still punching Kaidou when he does the turn, the manga shows that.
To finish him off.
To finish Kaidou once and for all.
So the Aceeleration doesn’t have to be 1-1 with reality.
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The punch happens over the course of several frames, that singular frame shows nothing other then the aftermath of his punch. Basically, there isn't any evidence that the entire punch happens in that one frame because we only see the after math of it, it is also contradicted by 9 frames beforehand.
So, he punches him, rotates him to the left, and then suddenly increases the force of his punch tenfold? That's nonsensical.
What is this arguing for?
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No we don’t we see it colliding then turning. The 9 frames are of him when he’s still colliding with Kaidou.
My face when pushing against a giant ******* dragon decreases the force of a punch
That it absolutely could have accelerated 10fold
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Kaido's face wouldn't have been turned to the left of the screen unless Luffy's fist was moving him in that direction, which could only be done with rotational movement.
No one said it doesn't.My face when pushing against a giant ******* dragon decreases the force of a punch
The reasoning behind it is trumped by the reasoning against it.
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It doesn't collide, what you're saying was already discussed like 5 pages ago.
Swing happens after fist completely left Kaido's face. And I don't see any reason for him to wait for 9 frames after finishing punch and then just put more force just to swing it back which doesn't have anything with finishing Kaido.
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I think what he's saying is that the "it doesn't align with physics" reason is completely bunk because Gear 5 ignores the laws of physics
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If it ignores the laws of physics then why are we using physics to calculate the force behind it's punch?
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What?
Then why are you so adamant about the 10 frames thing?
This is the equivalent of a nu-uh.
And was never debunked.
No he starts to push more beforehand, you can actually tell by his screams then Kaidou's face gets out of the way and he fully accelerates.
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No better alternative really
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What?
Because of the evidence I've provided.
Nu-uh.
Another could be sticking to using real life physics to calculate it, if you want to complain about gear 5 not pertaining to real life physics then you'd be better off dropping the feat instead of cherry picking what we can and can't do.
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There isn't anything to "debunk" as it just doesn't collide. I wonder if we watch same scene.
No as I said above his fist already left Kaido's face and that swing doesn't have anything with finishing Kaido.
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Which I disagree with. I'm just going to agree to disagree
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Okay. I think we can move past that point then and cover whatever is left.
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Will we change mass? CloverDragon03 seems to be confusing about what I suggested and what is being used. Currently using method multiplies area of front of forearm by length of fist.
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Mass is not changing. Therefir and I have both expressed this
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Therefir said that he doesn't like mine, I didn't saw any answers regarding mass issue in KingTempest's version.
What you said was just falsifying KingTempest's method thinking it was mine...
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"Falsifying" is a big claim. Let's not create tension
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By this I meant claiming that something is wrong idk if this means something different, I'm sorry if it does.
To clarify, I want to say that he was okay with rejection of the method which is currently used in his blog thinking it was my version. So I thought it should be reasonable for him to change mass because he comprehended rejected thing wrong and seemed to defend this rejection.
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I think I'm a bit confused on what you're talking about. I'm just trying to say that we're not adjusting the mass
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Anyway for what K.T proposed you should just take the length of 106563.59228944 meters, and the twist length of 334779.398677 meters and add them
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And why would we use the length of 106563.59228944 meters? Also, we don't use 334779.398677 meters anymore in the calc
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Then use what ever the new lengths would be
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You answered that it's what I did in my blog and what got rejected. Mine just finds volume of fist and forearm seperately, then summing. But that one is from KingTempest's calculation's first part.
Again, this is no reason to use exactly mine. I intended to clear up the misunderstanding in the answer that came after I pointed out what I thought was wrong in the accepted calculation. However, I don't understand why it is accepted as absolute truth just because it was accepted in the past. Like, I don't see any logic in this method otherwise, it's like saying that you find the volume of a person by randomly multiplying the area of his foot by the length of his arm or something more ridiculous. If you visualize that cylinder with height of fist length and area of front part of forearm, this has nothing to do with the volume of the entire arm. It doesn't even cover the whole arm inside just to use some percent of hollowness after.(Not to mention it also fully ignores forearm) You can disagree with treating fist as rectangular parallelepiped and forearm as ellipsoid but I don't see any reason to use the one which uses multiplications that are completely irrelevant to the purpose.
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Sorry, I haven't looked at this in a while.
Where were we up to?
Are we going to use this calc now? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Vzearr/Luffy's_Gomu_Gomu_no_Bajrang_Gun
Where were we up to?
Are we going to use this calc now? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Vzearr/Luffy's_Gomu_Gomu_no_Bajrang_Gun
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@Damage3245 Thought we were gonna grab something from this blog
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