HST Showdown - (Round 3 - Doctors)

[Arc7Kuroi]

Voting Law.

He easily has the best Range and can take out Tsunade with a single attack.

As for Unohana, while she is much faster than him with her amps, his Kenbun and Spatial Manipulation paired with the starting distance of 4 km would allow him to avoid getting touched and play around her goal (which would probably be to try to touch him) by baiting her into getting hit with attacks like Amputate or Takt, which could prove to be fatal if they hit.

Unohana does have some wincons and advantages, but Law’s are just more feas and easier to pull off in this scenario.

Law's battle IQ isn't high enough to bait Unohana like that. Unohana has a vastly higher combat intelligence given she's been a master swordswoman for 2000+ years, over which she has mastered 8000 styles through combat experience. There's just no feasible way Law is outsmarting her on the battlefield.

Reasons I'm voting for Law

• He outranges both of them massively
• Can one shot either of them effortlessly with amputate and other moves
• Counters both of their healing with amputate
• Can easily avoid their attacks with his teleportation

It's honestly so much in his favor, that I'd say he beats Tsunade and Unohana in a two versus one even

Law cannot hit Unohana reliably. Her Shunpo would be fast enough to evade his slashes. And in a battle of attrition Unohana is coming on top given she has a far superior stamina to Law, and for Law to maintain massive Rooms takes a lot of energy.

 

[Kachon123]

Law's battle IQ isn't high enough to bait Unohana like that. Unohana has a vastly higher combat intelligence given she's been a master swordswoman for 2000+ years, over which she has mastered 8000 styles through combat experience. There's just no feasible way Law is outsmarting her on the battlefield.

What’s Unohana’s starting tactic?

 

[Deceived3596]

Currently voting for Unohana given Arc's argumentation.

 

[Purgy]

Law cannot hit Unohana reliably. Her Shunpo would be fast enough to evade his slashes. And in a battle of attrition Unohana is coming on top given she has a far superior stamina to Law, and for Law to maintain massive Rooms takes a lot of energy.

Unohana has zero idea how Law's powers work, and his amputate isn't a projectile so she has no reason to dodge.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Law's battle IQ isn't high enough to bait Unohana like that. Unohana has a vastly higher combat intelligence given she's been a master swordswoman for 2000+ years, over which she has mastered 8000 styles through combat experience. There's just no feasible way Law is outsmarting her on the battlefield.

Law doesn't need to outsmart her

Law cannot hit Unohana reliably. Her Shunpo would be fast enough to evade his slashes. And in a battle of attrition Unohana is coming on top given she has a far superior stamina to Law, and for Law to maintain massive Rooms takes a lot of energy.

Obs Haki plus instant spatial slash... She is not going to be fast enough...

 

[Deceived3596]

Isn't amputate activated through the action of Law swinging his sword?, she would have every reason to dodge, or swipe away a direct sword strike coming at her.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What’s Unohana’s starting tactic?

Against opponents she's aware of their capabilities, she presses them with superior skill. Characters slower than Unohana, like Shunsui, can Shunpo over many km in a single step. Specifically, distances greater than 13 km, as Shunsui can take Nanao out of Yama's RC range (13 km) in 2 Shunpo. So, realistically Unohana can close a 6.5 km gap in a single Shunpo. So, it is likely too that she Shunpo's once and is already in melee with Law.

 

[LordGinSama]

Has there ever been an instance of Unohana having experience against high end spatial users like Law?


Also Arc her 800+ years of swordsmanship is bottom of the barrel for her. She isn't just a swordman, the bitch has probably even longer than 800+ years of experience when it comes to her understanding of the human body and such. She's a hell of a lot more than just a swordsman with 800+ years of experience, imo that's selling her short.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Isn't amputate activated through the swinging of his sword?, she would have every reason to dodge, or swipe away a direct sword strike coming at her.

Yee but obs Haki will know what she will do beforehand

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Unohana has zero idea how Law's powers work, and his amputate isn't a projectile so she has no reason to dodge.

1) Unohana isn't going to just let Law hit her, she's not stupid. 2) She can close gaps beyond 4 km in a single Shunpo, so she'd just Shunpo over instantly and start attacking.

Law doesn't need to outsmart her

My point is that he can't, so glad we agree.

Obs Haki plus instant spatial slash... She is not going to be fast enough...

She literally is fast enough, she can close the gap in a single step with Shunpo.

Yee but obs Haki will know what she will do beforehand

Doesn't matter, you still have to be fast enough to act, future sight doesn't amp Law's speed, it's precog.

 

[KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815]

If he's using a physical motion to activate then in character he isn't standing there an thinking it, there's a visual indicator. And regarding Law stopping her from touching her, he can keep throwing her out of the way with Room but he's going to run out of stamina far quicker than she is, especially keeping up a 4 km wide Room. Much weaker characters like Arrancar Arc Shikai Ichigo has enough spirit energy to sprint for 5 days and Unohana is exponentially beyond that.

He can use his spatial manip to help him evade and whatnot, but it's not a get out of jail free card. And while his precog will help with the FTE Unohana speed amps, it isn't gonna to disable Unohana's ability to evade the attacks with her vastly superior combat skill and speed amp advantage. Plus, Law would have to really put all his attention into making sure Unohana doesn't touch him, cuz the second Unohana touches him he's getting corroded to bone. In which Tsunade could use that opportunity to more easily catch Law off guard than Unohana.

voting for unohana for these reasons. With her speed amp and her superior skill i don’t see law holding her at bay and he will run out of stamina long before she does.

 

[Kachon123]

Against opponents she's aware of their capabilities, she presses them with superior skill.

She doesn’t know Law’s abilities, so this wouldn't happen, I assume.

Characters slower than Unohana, like Shunsui, can Shunpo over many km in a single step. Specifically, distances greater than 13 km, as Shunsui can take Nanao out of Yama's RC range (13 km) in 2 Shunpo. So, realistically Unohana can close a 6.5 km gap in a single Shunpo. So, it is likely too that she Shunpo's once and is already in melee with Law.

Kenbun counters this.

But I have a question. Doesn’t Shunpo fall under this?

amps which allow people to oneshot, tank, speedblitz etc. Something on that exact level isn't allowed, and is restricted for fairness.

 

[Purgy]

Isn't amputate activated through the swinging of his sword?, she would have every reason to dodge, or swipe away a direct sword strike coming at her.

So if Law is like a kilometer away from her and just swings in her direction, she's going to dodge? Why? She hasn't got a clue what he can do and there's no projectile for her to dodge.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Doesn't matter, you still have to be fast enough to act, future sight doesn't amp Law's speed, it's precog.

It actually does... It's precog and enhances your reaction speed and senses...

Law's body movement doesn't need to be amped (even tho he can) whenever he got haxes that are much faster

 

[Deceived3596]

But I have a question. Doesn’t Shunpo fall under this?

It wouldn't be because "speedblitz" in that clause would be the complete inability to react, perceptually, physically, instinctively etc.

These characters are capable of reacting to FTE movements on some level, hence why it wouldn't be considered a "speedblitz" level amp.

 

[Kachon123]

It wouldn't be because "speedblitz" in that clause would be the complete inability to react, perceptually, physically, instinctively etc.

These characters are capable of reacting to FTE movements on some level, hence why it wouldn't be considered a "speedblitz" level amp.

So because he has kenbun, it’s allowed?

What about Tsunade? Wouldn’t she just get blitzed?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

She doesn’t know Law’s abilities, so this wouldn't happen, I assume.

It's her only known tactic. So, she probably would. She has a single fight in the series after all.

Kenbun counters this.

Being able to see yourself getting obliterated =/= can stop yourself from getting obliterated.

But I have a question. Doesn’t Shunpo fall under this?

It's an FTE amp, but talking with Deceived I don't think it is. It's definitely pushing it, but Bleach characters can react to FTE attacks from characters relative to them without getting blitzed. Hence, we think it's fine.

So if Law is like a kilometer away from her and just swings in her direction, she's going to dodge? Why? She hasn't got a clue what he can do and there's no projectile for her to dodge.

Law isn't going to swing before she Shunpo's and makes the distance like 1 meter away. She isn't going to stand there while Law is swinging at her, and if Law is swinging outside of melee range Unohana is going to know something is up.

It actually does... It's precog and enhances your reaction speed and senses...

Law's body movement doesn't need to be amped (even tho he can) whenever he got haxes that are much faster

Precog doesn't enhance your speed, it enables you to process information quicker.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So because he has kenbun, it’s allowed?

What about Tsunade? Wouldn’t she just get blitzed?

Tsunade and Naruto characters use FTE speed amps with Shunshin, so iirc she could react with Shunshin and not get blitzed.

 

[Deceived3596]

So because he has kenbun, it’s allowed?

What about Tsunade? Wouldn’t she just get blitzed?

Yes

Tsunade can react to FTE movements since characters in Naruto, who are slower than Tsunade, and have less chakra control compared to her, can react to people using Shushin.

 

[speedster352]

Is her range really just several dozen meters like the profile says?

Not it was like an entire cave so the range should be much larger.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Precog doesn't enhance your speed, it enables you to process information quicker.

Obs Haki isn't just precog my guy

Law isn't going to swing before she Shunpo's and makes the distance like 1 meter away. She isn't going to stand there while Law is swinging at her, and if Law is swinging outside of melee range Unohana is going to know something is up.

and get precoged and end up behind an instant spatial slash and law will also know beforehand if she'll even try to dodge that as well which another slash will come

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Obs Haki isn't just precog my guy

I can tell you what it isn't: a speed amp.

and get precoged and end up behind an instant spatial slash and law will also know beforehand if she'll even try to dodge that as well

Law's attack speed is not instant. He has to attack with his usual attack speed and then the effects of the slash are immediate. The attack speed is not some infinite speed slash.

 

[Purgy]

Law isn't going to swing before she Shunpo's and makes the distance like 1 meter away. She isn't going to stand there while Law is swinging at her, and if Law is swinging outside of melee range Unohana is going to know something is up.

You're assuming Unohana is just going to Shunpo to Law immediately when it's equally as likely that she goes to Tsunade instead and then gets amputated from a kilometer away with zero idea why her body is now separated.

But lets say she does immediately go to Law and they end up in melee range, what does that really achieve? If they were to clash sword to sword for example, Law could just cut right through her sword and body with amputate...she's not blocking it without resistance to spatial manip.

She would literally have to completely avoid every single swing and not clash once, which is ridiculous given that again, she has no idea what he can do.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I can tell you what it isn't: a speed amp.

Well it is a reaction speed Amp... So wrong

Law's attack speed is not instant. He has to attack with his usual attack speed and then the effects of the slash are immediate. The attack speed is not some infinite speed slash.

It still acts as an instant flying slash... That plus observation haki is all that is needed as again he will at all times know what she will do in the future and she won't always know what law will do

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Unsure if this travel speed would still be the same with speed equal rules though:

Shunpo is a high speed battle art. So I don't think it would fall under the stipulations presented there, but admittedly I'm not sure.

You're assuming Unohana is just going to Shunpo to Law immediately when it's equally as likely that she goes to Tsunade instead and then gets amputated from a kilometer away with zero idea why her body is now separated.

The second Law puts up the Room, Unohana is realizing that he's an immediate threat. She doesn't need to know how Ope Ope no Mi works to realize the Room is part of Law's attack.

But lets say she does immediately go to Law and they end up in melee range, what does that really achieve? If they were to clash sword to sword for example, Law could just cut right through her sword and body with amputate...she's not blocking it without resistance to spatial manip.

She's skilled enough to cut Law while simultaneously kicking away his arms to prevent him from slashing at her. So she would simply cut him down.

She would literally have to completely avoid every single swing and not clash once, which is ridiculous given that again, she has no idea what he can do.

It's not ridiculous, why is Unohana gonna stand there why Law slashes at her? That makes less sense. She's fought in countless battles over thousands of years, she has the combat prowess to understand that standing like a deer in headlights isn't smart.

Well it is a reaction speed Amp... So wrong

It isn't, and if it is, it ain't on the profiles. Go get that accepted if it is a speed amp goober.

It still acts as an instant flying slash... That plus observation haki is all that is needed as again he will at all times know what she will do in the future and she won't always know what law will do

She doesn't need to precog Law to evade his slashes, she has Shunpo and Law has to actively swing his blade first, so she can Shunpo away before he's done slashing as her Shunpo would be faster than his regular attack speed.

 

[ZKillerz]

I think you guys might be gassing observation haki a little too much, especially since... Law is only intermediate with it....

 

[SlendVeny]

Tsunade FRB

 

[ZKillerz]

Tsunade FRB

 

[Arkenis]

Tsunade FRB

Whats she gonna do punch them?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think you guys might be gassing observation haki a little too much, especially since... Law is only intermediate with it....

They can actively sense the presence and aura of others within their proximity, and occasionally have premonitions of the very brief future.

That's what intermediate Kenbun says for future sight. So, yeah I agree with Killerz, his Obs Haki ain't doin this for him. All the Law reppers here really telling me the occasional hyper brief future premonition that he can't even use at will is enable him to precog auto dodge Unohana, yeah no.

 

[LordGinSama]

Why are we talking about FS whenever Law doesn't even have it?

 

[Purgy]

The second Law puts up the Room, Unohana is realizing that he's an immediate threat. She doesn't need to know how Ope Ope no Mi works to realize the Room is part of Law's attack.

This really doesn't matter because Unohana's range is extremely limited, she has no choice but to enter that random blue sphere.

She's skilled enough to cut Law while simultaneously kicking away his arms to prevent him from slashing at her. So she would simply cut him down.

It's not ridiculous, why is Unohana gonna stand there why Law slashes at her? That makes less sense. She's fought in countless battles over thousands of years, she has the combat prowess to understand that standing like a deer in headlights isn't smart.

They're going to clash at least once guaranteed, and that one time is all Law needs to one shot Unohana.

If someone was swinging a sword in my direction from hundreds of meters away I wouldn't just dive to the side lol, Unohana has never encountered anything like Law's powers, and she's not this super genius that can instantly deduce how his powers work from a glance like you're implying.

 

[Deceived3596]

@ZKillerz I kneel

 

[Eminiteable]

All the Law reppers here really telling me the occasional hyper brief future premonition that he can't even use at will is enable him to precog auto dodge Unohana, yeah no.

As far as I'm aware the "precog" at that level comes from intent sensing with their telepathy/mind reading which at this level isn't limited by it being occasional or being unable to use at will.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

She's skilled enough to cut Law while simultaneously kicking away his arms to prevent him from slashing at her. So she would simply cut him down.

Law can both see the future and teleport...

It isn't, and if it is, it ain't on the profiles. Go get that accepted if it is a speed amp goober.

Haki

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Doesn't the enhanced senses cover it...?

She doesn't need to precog Law to evade his slashes, she has Shunpo and Law has to actively swing his blade first, so she can Shunpo away before he's done slashing as her Shunpo would be faster than his regular attack speed.

And law can both spam obs Haki and amputate... Shunpo works in one direction movements if I remember correctly

 

[LordGinSama]

Also the best argument against Unohana going into Meele range for Law is his Awakening. K-Room and Anesthesia are long ranged and meele based so even if she blocks it, that wouldn't help her since his attacks phase.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

This really doesn't matter because Unohana's range is extremely limited, she has no choice but to enter that random blue sphere.

Brother she can cross gaps much larger than 4 km in a single step with Shunpo. She's closing the gap before Law can do anything, especially cuz he doesn't even have future sight he can actively use.

They're going to clash at least once guaranteed, and that one time is all Law needs to one shot Unohana.

If someone was swinging a sword in my direction from hundreds of meters away I wouldn't just dive to the side lol, Unohana has never encountered anything like Law's powers, and she's not this super genius that can instantly deduce how his powers work from a glance like you're implying.

It's not guaranteed, we see Unohana is skilled enough to block sword strikes without coming into contact with the blade while attacking at the same time.

Law can both see the future and teleport...

Reread the Haki page. Cuz it doesn't say that or intermediate proficiency.

Doesn't the enhanced senses cover it...?

It would enable him to know sumn bad is gonna happen, but he isn't going to see into the future and see it, his Haki isn't that good.

And law can both spam obs Haki and amputate... Shunpo works in one direction movements if I remember correctly

Law's obs haki is fodder lol and Unohana is fast enough to evade his attacks and fast enough to close the 4 km gap in a single step. His spam ain't gonna matter.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I think you guys might be gassing observation haki a little too much, especially since... Law is only intermediate with it....

Only? that is all you need for you to be able to do the things I have said

 

[KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815]

You're assuming Unohana is just going to Shunpo to Law immediately when it's equally as likely that she goes to Tsunade instead and then gets amputated from a kilometer away with zero idea why her body is now separated.

Like arc said the moment he put up room shes going to immediately perceive him as a threat. Unohana has 2000 years of experience in a 3 person free for all fight she isn’t dumb she’s not going to completely take her eyes off of law or tsunade in any scenario.

But lets say she does immediately go to Law and they end up in melee range, what does that really achieve? If they were to clash sword to sword for example, Law could just cut right through her sword and body with amputate...she's not blocking it without resistance to spatial manip.

She would literally have to completely avoid every single swing and not clash once, which is ridiculous given that again, she has no idea what he can do.

Unohana is far more skilled than him enough to cut Law while simultaneously kicking away his arms to prevent him from slashing at her. So she would simply cut him down. In that moment plus with her shunpo he isn’t going to be able to keep up. She doesn’t need to avoid multiple swing she just has to deflect his arms and slash him once

If someone was swinging a sword in my direction from hundreds of meters away I wouldn't just dive to the side lol, Unohana has never encountered anything like Law's powers, and she's not this super genius that can instantly deduce how his powers work from a glance like you're implying.

that’s you. unohana has 2000 years of experience fighting and has 8000 sword styles she’s going to know something up with her opponent swinging his sword from that far away in the first place assuming he even goes after unohana first.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Reread the Haki page. Cuz it doesn't say that or intermediate proficiency.

Well see the future as in the knowing the future kind (precog)

That is what precog is

Law's obs haki is fodder lol

It's literally not...

Unohana is fast enough to evade his attacks and fast enough to close the 4 km gap in a single step. His spam ain't gonna matter.

Not fast enough to tag someone who can both know the future and teleport... He also could just teleport her into his sword...