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How exactly does portalling Kratos even work here? He opens a portal and throws him in? Cause he can just dodge the portals.
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I said this, refering to the Time Eater using portals on himself to increase the distance, and even then he can do both, he can send people through portals or use it himselffurthermore the Time Eater can easily increase that gap with portals as well
So the match can't be added.....Infinite speed doesn't make you inmune according to our rules ("While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification, is assumed to work even on characters that would usually bypass it via speed, those matches can likewise not be added.) therefore time stop that works with actual resistance>infinite speed, all it does is make the match not be added
Only if it's a major reason, which doesn't seem to be, main arguments is range and numbers advantage and him not resisting the Time Eater erasing the tmelineSo the match can't be added.....
IF...Eggman is overwhelmed which is unlikely to happen if Kratos cannot even scratch the bots. And these are projectiles. Which can be dodged.
Kratos is pragmatic and tactically acute to switch to his other Claws instantly upon realising his power disadvantage.
Eggman neither has Extrasensory Perception to see the souls and neither has NPI to interact with them. Pretty sure the souls just invade the bots and attack Eggman without him realising.
Eggman captured ghosts all the way back in 3&K, he definitvely has non-physical interaction
Also thisAlso, it's pretty likely that Eggman would lead the Time Eater to use restraint trap if he is in a overwhelmed state.
Kratos has soul of Hades and all his his powers.Has the soul of Hades
Doesn't stop robots from getting power nulled.Also this
Ok and? How would this change what I argued? Having portals doesn't mean he can go exactly where Eggman is, all it means he might come back from BFR if the portals have enough range, which won't matter because they will be erasedKratos has soul of Hades and all his his powers.
Which includes portal creation. He even has this on Ascension key.
I guess you’re right, but I also wonder if that’s gonna be Kratos’ first moveDoesn't stop robots from getting power nulled.
Wasn't your argument that Kratos would destroy everything immeaditely? My point was that he can't destroy everything before he gets erased, something I still haven't seen a counter forok, that means less robots for Kratos to deal with if they’re in space and not on the planet.
It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this ability can nullify anything that falls within the phenomena their powers are made to counter. It is to be assumed that any negation power has its limitations based on the strongest thing it has nullified, and a character may be resistant to the ability (at least in one of its forms), preventing it from having its usual effects.
However, certain forms of Power Nullification may prevent the usage of powers through less direct methods, making resistance less useful and the strength of the ability less relevant.
Type 2? You mean this?Yes. Hades used it to defeat Atlas who was stronger than him during Titanomachy because its Type 2 power null on power null page.
Immortality / Regeneration Negation: Many characters and weapons have the ability to ignore the immortality and regenerative abilities of their opponents, allowing them to kill characters with wounds they would otherwise survive. As with other powers, this is generally limited by the strongest level of regeneration and the types of immortality that the ability has nullified, and an ability may be limited to just immortality or just regeneration. Killing a character through means they can't survive even with their immortality doesn't count; killing someone who can regenerate from just a soul can just as easily be Soul Manipulation, depending on the context.
I meant thisType 2? You mean this?
Both Hades and Zeus magic work this way. And I already gave feat of Hades haxxing Atlas who was stronger than him during Titanomachy.However, certain forms of Power Nullification may prevent the usage of powers through less direct methods, making resistance less useful and the strength of the ability less relevant.
Alright, but are they as strong as Eggman's machines here? Because that's what matters, we can't just argue he just looks at something far stronger than most of his verse (?) and makes them abolutely powerless, you haven't explained how his magic works, what would they null from Eggman?Both Hades and Zeus magic work this way. And I already gave feat of Hades haxxing Atlas who was stronger than him during Titanomachy.
Another one is Zeus turing Prometheus mortal by stripping him off his divine powers.
Oh? it's just some souls attacking them? Because if so Phantom King and Egg Salamender can just one shoot them, I wasn't strawmanning you, your point simply isn't clear, anyways I still don't see a point of how Kratos kills eggman before he erases the timeline, especially with his time travel and other time manip to give himself more timethat wasn’t my point, you kept arguing he’ll be distracted by all the robots, I said that the army of hades would take care of that as all of the robots would have to deal with hundreds upon hundreds of souls attacking them all at once while Kratos can go straight to Eggman, so you’re strawmanning my argument.
It literally isn't, if it is quote it here where "case by case" is said, it's stated it's assumed to not work without feats (It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this ability can nullify anything that falls within the phenomena their powers are made to counter. It is to be assumed that any negation power has its limitations based on the strongest thing it has nullified, and a character may be resistant to the ability (at least in one of its forms), preventing it from having its usual effects), you can't claim for example Kratos can powernull a tier 1 because they don't resist it, and if it is the second case, it hasn't been explained how it works and what it would doThere’s also the fact that the power null page is stated to be a case by case basis. There is no stated weakness on the power nulls in god of war to be limited to power, you either resist them or you don’t.
Its strips victim of his power by cutting off power source.and if it is the second case, it hasn't been explained how it works and what it would do
The example in the page has them physically dragging someone down in order to null them:Not just some souls attacking you, they would transmutate you and nullify your powers on contact. That’s the main reason why I kept saying they don’t resist the army of hades hax as that’s what would happen.
None of those guys are as strong as Eggman's main bots, so I don't see why it would work, it just puts a limit on themGilver already gave you feats on it working against someone far stronger than them like Atlas.
And how does it cut something from a power source? And why couldn't Eggman power them back on with stuff like Sol, Chaos emeralds, Master Emerald etc?Its strips victim of his power by cutting off power source.
Like cutting a wire.
It doesn't physically negate power like generic one.
Victims are incapable of using it again.And how does it cut something from a power source? And why couldn't Eggman power them back on with stuff like Sol, Chaos emeralds, Master Emerald etc
Incapable of using what exactly?Victims are incapable of using it again.
So it's touch based then? Then the machines simply avoid their touch using their flight or other abilities, defintvely not enough to beat Eggman in literal secondsthe beginning of God of War 3 Kratos being submerged in the river Styx had his powers nullified by the souls of hades by them touching him so that’s not exactly lifting strength required at all.
Eggman can just BFR and seal him in white space or null space then, also is power of hope Kratos being used? OP only said GoW3 KratosAlso that doesn’t exactly help Eggman when type 8 immortality brings Kratos back to life. Oneshotting him means Jack shit as long as Hope exists.
Both power source and equipment powered by it.Incapable of using what exactly?
The distraction is literally only for a couple seconds, since according to you Kratos can somehow kill something far stronger than him in less time than that, also he still wouldn't have the range to beat all of them anyways, you are acting as if Eggman is going to do absolutely nothing with all his weapons other than get killed in less than a second, something I still haven't seen a convicing argument, especially when his main hax being argued is easily dodgbleThe army of hades acts as homing attack, you’re not dodging them, especially when there’s hundreds of souls out at once. Also you do realize that if they’re trying to dodge the army of hades they cannot distract Kratos at all? You’re just proving my point that they would be occupied by the army of hades more than they would against Kratos, so once again he can go in for the kill and hax Time eater to death and get the kill on Eggman.
Both power source and equipment powered by it.
He lost all his divine powers in river styx and his equipment was rendered completely useless.....Athena had to rebuild Blades of Athena into Blades of Exile and suggested to seek Flames of Olympus as a new power source.
Thats no counter......Yeah, I don't think this powernull can null equipment far stronger than Kratos himself without any feats
The Eggrobos literally don't matter, I made that point because you said Kratos would kill Eggman in literal seconds, yet now I see that the hax that you kept hyping up is touch based and easily countered by all low 2-C mechs own homing projectiles and literally just flying out of range. Now I can definitvely say Eggman wins this, the Phantom King (or any other Ruby user) and the Egg Salamender counter the hands with their projectiles and abilities, while the Time Eater just erases the timeline and BFR Kratos into White SpaceAre any of the eggrobos that are distracting him all Low 2-C? Cause I don’t recall seeing that on eggman’s page, just the time eater and the egg salamander. Meaning they would work on them regardless of that weakness.
A homing attack based hax move is not easily dodgeable, give me scans right now on any of the egg robos dodging anything homing attack related then I’ll concede on this point.