I would just like to clarify, I don't recall this being stated in the JP guide at all. The JP manual states Sonic can time travel by absorbing the energy in the sign posts and maintaining lightspeed. Nothing about going FTL. He uses the energy imbued in the Past and Future posts to time travel by triggering its energy at lightspeed. At least as far as I recall.
That's... pretty much what I said, Laser.
I feel what I said is far different. One is a statement that someone time travels by going FTL speed (And thus makes it seem like a rule of the Universe in Sonic), whereas I clarified that going FTL doesn't activate it. He has to maintain light speed and absorb the warping energy from the warp posts to time travel. However, I'd like to note I replied to that post, not to correct you, but because it was being used to argue that it is just a rule Sonic's universe follows, and thus any Immeasurable feat is only FTL because it was "established before".
I FORGOT about JP guide lore being more to the actual story than the english guide at points for the old games, thanks for bringing that up.
Where did you got that he is "undoing the warping" from?
What makes that so clear? I don't see anything in the game making this situational like you are saying
that doesn't matter, it is described as them breaking "through" aka from one end to another, them arriving at the end of it while ripping apart a portal to it fits the description
It is both, it is dimensional travel when they arive at the end of the dimension
Nah, we don't know what SPD translates to, it could be a system of infinities, without information we can't deduce much
“Undoing the warping” is headcanon. All Sonic is doing is removing the blockades
I’ve gone over this multiple times before, but basically, there’s no reason for a rift to form in Null Space given that it’s stated to contain nothing and Infinite is trying to keep them locked away for good. In addition, Double Boost is simply a speed amping move, and Sonic and the Avatar explicitly “broke through” Null Space. It’s far more assumptive to claim this is simple Dimensional Travel as opposed to a feat of speed.
Also him getting caught by a black hole, having a stated speed here, having his speed measured here, having a stated speed here, although he is faster than a Cyan Wisp he takes time to catch-up to it and its still relevant to characters on his speed tier in some capacity. Also the indication that going around the planet would take some semblance of time from someone on his speed tier, etc.
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The statement surge made like 'your speed of sound can't compete with my speed of light' feels like a weird meta jab at sonic's overall notoriety of being faster of sound in media than anything near a cap, really. Don't know if anyone thinks the same as I do but it does sound funny.
The expansion of one and not its gravitational pull, also made of hyper go on energy used by the wisps, which also scale to Sonic himself
I am sorry, i fail to see why this matters? Yeah he can easily do mach one, that is true with or without infinite speed
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You do know sonic is currently MFTL+ right? Again, his brand matters here because?
.....why are you listing characters who scale to Sonic? What point are you trying to make?
Don't see that in the scan you showed
Made of Hyper-go-on, and a lot of it. It's beyond a normal BH. This can also be said for Cyan Wisps considering Sonic is MFTL+ atm, so they would need to be far beyond just LS to give Sonic a significant boost.
Mach One for funsies to debunk Infinite speed is the same as using it to debunk FTL, High Hypersonic, etc.
This is just in reference to his name/identity of being a casual Mach One-er. I mean, Sonic literally reflects a Cyan Laser blast with a shard of broken glass when she gets the Dynamo Cage issues later. Do we assume Surge's statement still holds weight? It seems to be hyped up speech more than anything.
Except even assuming Sonic is like Rel+, this STILL would make no sense.
TomorrowMade of Hyper-go-on, and a lot of it.
Mach One for funsies to debunk Infinite speed is the same as using it to debunk FTL, High Hypersonic, etc.
This is just in reference to his name/identity of being a casual Mach One-er. I mean, Sonic literally reflects a Cyan Laser blast with a shard of broken glass when she gets the Dynamo Cage issues later. Do we assume Surge's statement still holds weight? It seems to be hyped up speech more than anything.
Also, Sonic literally hands Surge her ass moments after that panel with a smirk on his face.
Except even assuming Sonic is like Rel+, this STILL would make no sense.
EDIT: Did NOT mean to triple team you with a response, I didn't see Omega's additional response
To be fair, Wisps were never even only lightspeed. The JP intro for Cyan Wisp verbatim states they're FTL. Which ties in them with being comparable to Sonic who is also FTL (MFTL+ currently).
I agree with you that there's no real indication of it taking any time. Just Surge saying they'll lap the planet until they find Sonic.
He really stated that? I did think he probably wanted sonic to be way weaker than demonstrated in games (and clearly IDW by some of the dialogue in it) nowadays but I didn't think he actually said something like that.
Yeah, if I find it again, I'll send it. Ian's interpretation of Sonic is quite different from SEGA's interpretation, and I think he's aware of that. I also think for like... legal reasons he can't say the comics he writes overwrites the canon of the games that the comics are based on (That are managed by the people he works under). So it kinda makes sense for him to say that tbh.
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Oh yeah, I didn't mean it was a "rule of the universe". I just forget some people don't know Sonic as much as thus they need more clarification.
Well the Super Sonic level foes part doesn’t exactly mean too much considering the minimum for Super Form speed is dependent on Darkspine Sonic, which depends on Modern Base Sonic (hence why they’re currently MFTL+)
AKA, Secret Rings Sonic, AKA the game where he gets his first (reliable) infinite speed feat. Darkspine Sonic should definitely have infinite speed.
Oh he will now if Infinite speed goes through, I just mean that currently they’re MFTL+
There’s only enough staff accepting the Infinite speed end, so at this rate, it’ll be Infinite speed
@Planck69 @Elizhaa @KingTempest @DemonGodMitchAubin What do you think about Shake’s suggestion here? I believe it works, as it accounts for the feat while also acknowledging its conditional nature given that Sonic doesn’t just do stuff like this anytime he runs real fast. This would also only apply to the Sonics, because no one else replicates this
