MCU CRT: Thanos is not stronger than Carol

[M3X_2.0]

Thanos’ profile says:

While extremely wounded and near-death, he could overpower Captain Marvel.

He did not, at most, this is some Lifting Strength scaling, not Attack Potency. We see later on the movie that Carol overpowered past Thanos in Lifting Strength too, so even LS is not a guaranteed scaling. She’s overall stronger than him.

Remove this scaling.

And also, it’s never stated or shown that she absorbed energy from the Infinity Stones. This is a headcanon to scale Thanos above her.

Agree: Lonkitt, LordTracer, Planck69, LephyrTheRevanchist, UchihaSlayer96, Dalesean027, Eseseso, Valiant_Abyss, Iamunanimousinthat, Serlock_Holmes
Disagree: Excel616, The_one_you_least_expect

 

[KLOL506]

That's not even overpowering like what the actual ****

 

[Eseseso]

Thanos’ profile says:

He did not, at most, this is some Lifting Strength scaling, not Attack Potency. We see later on the movie that Carol overpowered past Thanos in Lifting Strength too, so even LS is not a guaranteed scaling. She’s overall stronger than him.

Remove this scaling.

She only overpowered Past Thanos after he was exhausted and she got an amp from the Infinity Stones.

 

[Lonkitt]

Like I said in the other thread, I'm fine with Carol's upper end being Low 4-C, but I absolutely disagree with any backscaling that applies to Thor and Hulk. This scan is also just, REALLY blatant. Carol's definitely stronger than Thanos

I agree with the OP

 

[LordTracer]

MASSIVE AGREE, I don’t know how this ever got accepted to begin with. In no way is Thanos overpowering her here.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

She only overpowered Past Thanos after he was exhausted and she got an amp from the Infinity Stones.

Where is this shown and/or stated?

 

[Eseseso]

Like I said in the other thread, I'm fine with Carol's upper end being Low 4-C, but I absolutely disagree with any backscaling that applies to Thor and Hulk. This scan is also just, REALLY blatant. Carol's definitely stronger than Thanos

I agree with the OP

Oh yeah, Pre-Awakening Thor and Hulk should not backscale from Thanos at all, he whooped them both.

That I can agree with.

 

[Lonkitt]

She only overpowered Past Thanos after he was exhausted and she got an amp from the Infinity Stones.

When did she ever get an amp from the Infinite Stones???

 

[Lonkitt]

Oh yeah, Pre-Awakening Thor and Hulk should not backscale from Thanos at all, he whooped them both.

That I can agree with.

I don't think you understand. I don't agree with Thanos scaling to Low 4-C either

 

[Eseseso]

Where is this shown and/or stated?

When did she ever get an amp from the Infinite Stones???

Her profile IIRC says that.

 

[LordTracer]

Her profile IIRC says that.

Okay, but they’re asking for the evidence that proves that.

 

[Eseseso]

I don't think you understand. I don't agree with Thanos scaling to Low 4-C either

Honestly not opposed to this.

Not crazy about everyone scaling to a CM feat which takes place months to years after Endgame.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Wait wait, what? That scene doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t show or state she was absorbing energy. She’s just overpowering him.

 

[Eseseso]

Wait wait, what? That scene doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t show or state she was absorbing energy. She’s just overpowering him.

I just saw the profile.

But anyways, we shouldn't scale Endgame people to a later version of CM so I agree with removing Low 4-C/4-C scaling for Thanos, Hulk, etc.

 

[Planck69]

Yeah, agree with this.

 

[ThanatosX]

Captain Marvel is about to have a new rating, which would be something like: "Varies, at least 7-A, Low 4-C at her peak", so isn't this revision kinda redundant? Carol overpowered Thanos by applying more of her energy, and her AP in general varies based on how much power she is exerting.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Wait wait, what? That scene doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t show or state she was absorbing energy. She’s just overpowering him.

I do agree there isnt enough evidence for that but it was accepted she was absorbing here

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This is a bit long so I’m gonna separate these into 4 points Edit: In terms of scaling carol should be able to scale to her variant in the party Thor episode seeing as she’s shown to have the same relationship with fury like her mainline counterpart. Which would imply she went through...

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[M3X_2.0]

Cool, then let’s remove that. We don’t accept headcanons here.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Added the energy absorption part in the OP

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Added the energy absorption part in the OP

It was confirmed that she can absorb energy which should grant her a Higher with energy absortion but this scene has no proof she was actually absorbing

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah this is exclusively about that one scene

 

[Eseseso]

I do agree there isnt enough evidence for that but it was accepted she was absorbing here

Mcu Captain marvel downgrade

This is a bit long so I’m gonna separate these into 4 points Edit: In terms of scaling carol should be able to scale to her variant in the party Thor episode seeing as she’s shown to have the same relationship with fury like her mainline counterpart. Which would imply she went through...

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Yeah I agree that this is headcanon. Also, I now realize that there isn't any actual proof that Thanos was exhausted against CM.

Put me down as solid agree with the OP, then.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Thanos’ profile says:

He did not, at most, this is some Lifting Strength scaling, not Attack Potency. We see later on the movie that Carol overpowered past Thanos in Lifting Strength too, so even LS is not a guaranteed scaling. She’s overall stronger than him.

Remove this scaling.

And also, it’s never stated or shown that she absorbed energy from the Infinity Stones. This is a headcanon to scale Thanos above her.

So she dose no damaged to a crippled thanos then a tired thanos eats her blows then she just randomly overpowers him? And that’s just supposed to make sense because reasons?

just because it’s never stated dosen’t mean it didn’t happen.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yeah this is exclusively about that one scene

Should this wait until his profile gets back to his previous rating as 6-B?

 

[M3X_2.0]

So she dose no damaged to a crippled thanos then a tired thanos eats her blows then she just randomly overpowers him?

Bold of you to assume she went with the intention of attacking him and not just restrain (as she did). Not like they needed to ask him a few questions.

And that’s just supposed to make sense because reasons?

It makes sense, you just want to make Thanos stronger than her for a scene where she overpowered him.

just because it’s never stated dosen’t mean it didn’t happen.

It never happened.

 

[ThanatosX]

All of this is about to be fixxed the moment that the Varies profile is applied to Carol's profile, so shouldn't this be put on hold for now?

 

[LordTracer]

So she dose no damaged to a crippled thanos

While only trying to restrain him.

tired thanos eats her blows then she just randomly overpowers him?

This isn’t a contradiction. It’s very much possible for a character to take hits from someone stronger than them.

just because it’s never stated dosen’t mean it didn’t happen.

I hate to tell you, but you need to prove it DID happen to begin with.

 

[M3X_2.0]

All of this is about to be fixxed the moment that the Varies profile is applied to Carol's profile, so shouldn't this be put on hold for now?

No, please stop asking this as it has no business here.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Bold of you to assume she went with the intention of attack him and not just restrain (as she did). Not like they needed to ask him a few questions.

They were there to get the stones away from him, if she could effortlessly overpower them she could have just knocked his ass out and called it a day

It makes sense, you just want to make Thanos stronger than her for a scene where she overpowered him.

He literally shrugged of her attacks and threw her away. If were to assume she actually way above him as that one moment implies then she have done him worse then Thanos did hulk

It never happened.

It did

I hate to tell you, but you need to prove it DID happen to begin with.

edit : I literally did and it was brushed off the entire thing was called headcannon without responding to a single point

 

[M3X_2.0]

They were there to get the stones away from him, if she could effortlessly overpower them she could have just knocked his ass out and called it a day

That’s some wild 12 yo interpretation. They went there to ask him questions. They wanted to know where the Stones were.

He literally shrugged of her attacks and threw her away. If were to assume she actually way above him as that one moment implies then she have done him worse then Thanos did hulk

But she did? His headbutt did nothing to her and she easily put him down on his knees. He didn’t absorb anything to do that.

I literally did and you brushed off the entire thing as headcannon without responding to a single point

Well it wasn’t me who said it but: No, you didn’t prove anything.

 

[Eseseso]

Plus when Thanos overpowered her leg she seemed to not have her leg in a good position to pin his forearm down.

 

[Excellence616]

Isn't Thanos overall stronger every Earth in Endgame and only Scarlet Witch was confirmed to be the only one that can stop Thanos and she is the most powerful hero as of Endgame
https://imgur.com/PxJv64y
And while yes Carol overpowered a weakened Thanos (after he fought Worthy Captain America, Thor Iron Man and Scarlet Witch) still doesn't make her stronger as he onshots her by using the Power stone.


Honestly he actually head canon is saying Captain Marvel is stronger than Thanos.
Nah, disagree with OP.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yeah, gotta agree with OP here.

 

[LordTracer]

still doesn't make her stronger as he onshots her by using the Power stone.

Thanos =/= the Power Stone, so… not entirely sure how you got to this conclusion.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Isn't Thanos overall stronger every Earth in Endgame and only Scarlet Witch was confirmed to be the only one that can stop Thanos and she is the most powerful hero as of Endgame

And while yes Carol overpowered a weakened Thanos (after he fought Worthy Captain America, Thor Iron Man and Scarlet Witch) still doesn't make her stronger as he onshots her by using the Power stone.


Honestly he actually head canon is saying Captain Marvel is stronger than Thanos.
Nah, disagree with OP.

You yourself have proven why he literally can't scale to her. He needs an amp to even do anything, as she straight up no-sold him earlier.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That’s some wild 12 yo interpretation. They went there to ask him questions. They wanted to know where the Stones were.

That literally didn’t happen lol, they restrained him to get the stones away from him. Why do you think Thor cut off his arm?

But she did? His headbutt did nothing to her and she easily put him down on his knees. He didn’t absorb anything to do that.

Yet she couldn’t do that the two other times before hand

Well it wasn’t me who said it but: No, you didn’t prove anything.

Ya I made a mistake there. I did and you have yet to make an actual argument agianst the previous revesion

 

[M3X_2.0]

Ya I made a mistake there. I did and you have yet to make an actual argument agianst the previous revesion

Show me a statement or a blatant scene where she is absorbing the stones and I close this thread right now.

 

[Excellence616]

Thanos =/= the Power Stone, so… not entirely sure how you got to this conclusion.

Thanos was weakened at that moment. Carol went from struggling against Thanos to overpowering him.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Carol never struggled with Thanos. And he wasn’t weakened.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Show me a statement or a blatant scene where she is absorbing the stones and I close this thread right now.

Well I already broke down the whole thing for you here
https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-captain-marvel-downgrade.160650/