[MCU] All I Want For Christmas is Post-Awakening 5-A Upgrade

[RoTt35]

There’s a reason banner was begging for hulk to come out when fighting cull despite cull having damaged the suit cull is a hulk tier you physically can’t make the Hulk-Buster scale above hulk it was weaker then him back in AoU 2.0 has nothing to say it’s that much stronger lol the fact banner was calling hulk out despite that suit being damaged debunks there being a noticeable difference between mark 1 or mark 2 or it being stronger then hulk himself for that matter

Make a CRT to scale Hulk to Cull Obsidian and the Hulkbuster 2.0 then, this isn't the thread for that

 

[darkphantom9805]

Make a CRT to scale Hulk to Cull Obsidian and the Hulkbuster 2.0 then, this isn't the thread for that

Why didn’t he scale in the first in what world can a hulk buster be above hulk himself?

 

[RoTt35]

A question, the durability of Ultimate Ultron (2nd key) should be 5-A since he is made of Vibranium, right? I ask because currently he only has 6-B dura instead of High 6-B+. Btw, the following profiles have to be unlocked to apply the changes:

• Ancient One (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Captain Carter (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Doctor Strange Supreme (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Hulk (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Infinity Gauntlet (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Infinity Ultron (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Karl Mordo (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Scarlet Witch (MCU: What If…?)
• Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
• Wong (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

 

[Dinobot1996]

A question, the durability of Ultimate Ultron (2nd key) should be 5-A since he is made of Vibranium, right? I ask because currently he only has 6-B dura instead of High 6-B+.

I would assume so. The combined attack that Ultimate Ultron was hit by only seemed to superheat his inner (non-Vibranium) layer to the point of glowing, and the Vibranium plating just seemed to fall away largely intact. Though I guess that would still mean even a AoU Wanda would already have 5-A scaling (at least at her angriest) for tearing apart a section of Ultron's torso that was still covered in Vibranium, something which the novel outright states:

 

[Hixkaryana]

Then that upscales Vision as well doesn’t it?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Then that upscales Vision as well doesn’t it?

Vision is made of Vibranium mixed with organic tissue, not pure, solid Vibranium like Ultron's armor plating.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Vision is made of Vibranium mixed with organic tissue, not pure, solid Vibranium like Ultron's armor plating.

He fought on par with Vibranium Ultron

 

[Dinobot1996]

He fought on par with Vibranium Ultron

He could trade blows with Ultron, but didn't seem to cause any actual damage to his armor on his own, with the novel describing Ultron as appearing unharmed after his one-on-one fight with Vision (including getting knocked away by Mjolnir afterwards)

 

[Raincutter]

He could trade blows with Ultron, but didn't seem to cause any actual damage to his armor on his own, with the novel describing Ultron as appearing unharmed after his one-on-one fight with Vision (including getting knocked away by Mjolnir afterwards)

Vision was meant to be Ultron’s final form, an upgrade. He should upscale his vibranium body, and iirc weakened Vision does take a strike from Cull

 

[darkphantom9805]

Vision was meant to be Ultron’s final form, an upgrade. He should upscale his vibranium body, and iirc weakened Vision does take a strike from Cull

Everyone takes a strike from cull this mess would be solved if everyone hulk tier and above got upgraded

 

[RoTt35]

At this rate we're going to end up scaling Pre-Awakening characters to 5-A, which wouldn't make any sense since there's a considerable scaling chain with a few one-shots between them and Thanos

 

[Dinobot1996]

Thanos was pretty easily able to break a hole in Vision's head with one hand, whereas it took him some effort to break Captain America's shield with his sword. Either way, What If? indicated that Ultron in Vision's body would've been able to use the Mind Stone's power far more effectively than Vision himself could (enough to oneshot the likes of Thanos)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Thanos was pretty easily able to break a hole in Vision's head with one hand, whereas it took him some effort to break Captain America's shield with his sword. Either way, What If? indicated that Ultron in Vision's body would've been able to use the Mind Stone's power far more effectively than Vision himself could (enough to oneshot the likes of Thanos)

That’s the mind stone tho why would ultron make himself a glass canon when he wanted the strongest form

 

[Dinobot1996]

That’s the mind stone tho why would ultron make himself a glass canon when he wanted the strongest form

I mean, density manipulation/intangibility would probably largely offset that. The Vision body clearly would've offered Ultron more versatility, while his Ultimate Ultron form only really had the heavy armor plating going for it, coming across as a stone wall with less versatility.

 

[darkphantom9805]

I mean, density manipulation/intangibility would probably largely offset that. The Vision body clearly would've offered Ultron more versatility, while his Ultimate Ultron form only really had the heavy armor plating going for it, coming across as a stone wall with less versatility.

or why wouldn’t he get all those abilities + stats and durability ultimate form not the ultimate glass canon or no

 

[Raincutter]

Thanos was pretty easily able to break a hole in Vision's head with one hand, whereas it took him some effort to break Captain America's shield with his sword. Either way, What If? indicated that Ultron in Vision's body would've been able to use the Mind Stone's power far more effectively than Vision himself could (enough to oneshot the likes of Thanos)

That's easily explained as Vision being at low density. Corvus stabbed him while he was hiding as a civilian and he couldn't increase his density.

 

[Dinobot1996]

It was noted in the movie that Ultron is limited by a fixation on trying to copy and improve the human form specifically, even when according to Stark, taking a nonhumanoid form could have been more efficient. If the Vision body is a glass cannon, it'd largely be the result of Ultron prioritizing having his ideal form be as humanlike as possible.

That said, Stark did believe that the Vision body would be more powerful than any, possibly all, of the Avengers at the time (which the What If? episode supports), and the Phase Three, Captain America: Civil War novel gives Vision a similar statement:

And even without ever getting to use that body himself, Ultron is still described by the Age of Ultron artbook as the greatest threat any of the Avengers had faced up to that point, presumably indicating that Ultimate Ultron should be more powerful than the likes of Kurse:

 

[Raincutter]

It was noted in the movie that Ultron is limited by a fixation on trying to copy and improve the human form specifically, even when according to Stark, taking a nonhumanoid form could have been more efficient. If the Vision body is a glass cannon, it'd largely be the result of Ultron prioritizing having his ideal form be as humanlike as possible.

That said, Stark did believe that the Vision body would be more powerful than any, possibly all, of the Avengers at the time (which the What If? episode supports), and the Phase Three, Captain America: Civil War novel gives Vision a similar statement:

And even without ever getting to use that body himself, Ultron is still described by the Age of Ultron artbook as the greatest threat any of the Avengers had faced up to that point, presumably indicating that Ultimate Ultron should be more powerful than the likes of Kurse:

Nice. I've been looking for that Ultron statement for a while now, this proves that AoU Thor > TDW Thor, despite possibly being weakened

 

[darkphantom9805]

Nice. I've been looking for that Ultron statement for a while now, this proves that AoU Thor > TDW Thor, despite possibly being weakened

How does that work thor is arguably weakened in AoU because the dark magic and the norns visions so why would he be stronger?

 

[darkphantom9805]

And even without ever getting to use that body himself, Ultron is still described by the Age of Ultron artbook as the greatest threat any of the Avengers had faced up to that point, presumably indicating that Ultimate Ultron should be more powerful than the likes of Kurse:

This is just flat out wrong thor literally faced malekith with the reality stone he was the biggest threat not ultron lol

 

[Raincutter]

How does that work thor is arguably weakened in AoU because the dark magic and the norns visions so why would he be stronger?

Between TDW and AoU, Thor grew in power so much so that even weakened he was superior to his previous versions.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Between TDW and AoU, Thor grew in power so much so that even weakened he was superior to his previous versions.

Or the statement is just wrong and ultron isn’t above reality stone malekith or no

 

[Raincutter]

Or the statement is just wrong and ultron isn’t above reality stone malekith or no

It makes sense that the team up villain would be superior to a preceding solo film villain.

Malekith was also kinda fodder convergence aside. Remember how Thor laughed at how underwhelming he was?

 

[darkphantom9805]

It makes sense that the team up villain would be superior to a preceding solo film villain.

No it doesn’t he literally has an infinity stone of infinite power and was about to mess up the universe ultron was just going to kill all humans on earth via dropping a big rock they aren’t comparable

Malekith was also kinda fodder convergence aside. Remember how Thor laughed at how underwhelming he was?

The reality stone is just as strong as the other stones and if we are taking statements at face value malekith was stated to have access to the full power of an infinity stone which is above ultron with no stone and relies on dropping big rocks from the sky to do his damage

Anyway the statement biggest threat is automatically wrong as malekith was a threat to the entire universe ultron was a threat to 1 single planet and the life that lives on it

 

[Raincutter]

No it doesn’t he literally has an infinity stone of infinite power and was about to mess up the universe ultron was just going to kill all humans on earth via dropping a big rock they aren’t comparable


The reality stone is just as strong as the other stones and if we are taking statements at face value malekith was stated to have access to the full power of an infinity stone which is above ultron with no stone and relies on dropping big rocks from the sky to do his damage

Anyway the statement biggest threat is automatically wrong as malekith was a threat to the entire universe ultron was a threat to 1 single planet and the life that lives on it

If he did have access to such power, he didn’t use it (or it’s not enough, 3-A scaling???) since Ultron performed better against Thor.

By statements, Ultron>
By in-verse, Ultron>

 

[RoTt35]

Malekith's feat is more like universal environmental destruction via hax, it's not like he could hit Thor with 3-A potency. Plus he never reached that level of threat since it was stated that he needed to consume the Nine Worlds to exponentially amplify the power of the Aether to universal

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Malekith's feat is more like universal environmental destruction via hax, it's not like he could hit Thor with 3-A potency. Plus he never reached that level of threat since it was stated that he needed to consume the Nine Worlds to exponentially amplify the power of the Aether to universal

But thor was already able to affect worlds beyond yggdrasil?

which was described as universe in another prelude

And here:

And here

 

[Reyne]

While this here, why not take a loot at that 246 something value that popped up when they were planning to storm The Garden/Titan II? I know it has yet to be considered, simply because we don't actually know what it refers to explicitly, but the preceeding value was the Wakanda snap, so it should at least be given a fair shake.

 

[Lacku]

I think the thread had been fully applied now and can be closed.