Mcu high tiers star lvl revision

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Ok so I think it’s about time we discuss the elephant in the room

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Revan_Laha/The_Marvels:_Captain_Marvel_reignites_Hala's_Sun


Captain marvel has the best feat among mcu high tiers and now we gotta talk about who scales to what and how.


To start things off pre awakened Thor lvl characters have virtually no way of scaling to her besdies the whole what if fight were Thor and carol were both holding back




And I’m sure there’s more than enough controversy on scaling this way so let’s just ignore that fight and move on to the next candidates . Post awakened Thor lvl characters.


As discussed in this thread


https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-captain-marvel-downgrade.160650/


Carol doesn’t scale or downscale to thanos at all in her base, struggling to really even affect a tired and weakened Thanos. So for now I propose that anyone that scales or downscales to Thanos get the tier 4 rating and anyone that doesn’t simply returns to there tier beforehand.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Anyone who can defeat Thanos will be scaled?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Anyone who can defeat Thanos will be scaled?

Anyone who scales or downscales to thanos well

 

[Dalesean027]

The problem lies deeper than Carols scaling itself at its it stems from Hulk very faultly scaling from Thanos and Thor which makes all pre awakening characters downscale their stronger selves, no matter where they're downgraded back to because of the very faulty scaling of Hulk somewhere he logically doesn't scale it will create this issue over and over again

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Ok so I think it’s about time we discuss the elephant in the room

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Revan_Laha/The_Marvels:_Captain_Marvel_reignites_Hala's_Sun


Captain marvel has the best feat among mcu high tiers and now we gotta talk about who scales to what and how.


To start things off pre awakened Thor lvl characters have virtually no way of scaling to her besdies the whole what if fight were Thor and carol were both holding back




And I’m sure there’s more then enough controversy on scaling this way so let’s just move on to the next candidates. Post awakened Thor lvl characters.

The wiki doesnt accept scaling on Alternative realities.

As discussed in this thread


https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-captain-marvel-downgrade.160650/


Carol doesn’t scale or downscale to thanos at all in her base, struggling to really even affect a tired and weakened Thanos. So for now I propose that anyone that scales or downscales to Thanos get the tier 4 rating and anyone that doesn’t simply returns to there tier beforehand.

You know that if Captain Marvel doesnt scale to Thanos then Thanos is 6-B right? To begin with the calc is a feat made by Carol you cant take her feat from her to add to the others.

 

[Dalesean027]

The wiki doesnt accept scaling on Alternative realities.

Its from the same verse, it doesn't allow cross scaling from seperate things or continuity, in the case of the MCU they could potentially scale given their differences aren't varying too far and stick very VERY close to their original versions

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Does Thanos scale to full power Carol?

 

[Yokoahh5743]

However, I don't agree with scaling vision and hulk and war machine and other characters in key Pre-Awakening like low4-c at last H6-A with preparation

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The problem lies deeper than Carols scaling itself at its it stems from Hulk very faultly scaling from Thanos and Thor which makes all pre awakening characters downscale their stronger selves, no matter where they're downgraded back to because of the very faulty scaling of Hulk somewhere he logically doesn't scale it will create this issue over and over again

Hulk stats vary, hulk got stronger, hulk still got his ass beat. Besdies that is a problem to be discussed later

The wiki doesnt accept scaling on Alternative realities.

And why do you think I said we should move past that?

You know that if Captain Marvel doesnt scale to Thanos then Thanos is 6-B right? To begin with the calc is a feat made by Carol you cant take her feat from her to add to the others.

Thanos scales to carol,carol doesn’t scale to Thanos. That’s the whole point of scaling

 

[Dalesean027]

[MCU] Hulk Powerscaling

Hulk briefly restrained and withstood multiple punches from Thanos before being knocked out Thanos does hold back, but it's suggested he does it after removing his armour and getting more Infinity Stones Though dazed, Hulk endured two attacks from Thor when he briefly awakened his real power...

vsbattles.com

Wanna add this to the OP as one of the most problematic additions to the scaling chain that needs to be discussed and reverted

@Propellus @Lonkitt @Lacku @Dinobot1996 @Marvel_Champion_07 @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Valiant_Abyss @Maverick_Zero_X @ThanatosX

Summoning all the MCU goons

 

[darkphantom9805]

the Thor that fought carol doesn’t he have awakened mode he had the lightning eyes in the episode

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Does Thanos scale to full power Carol?

Yes

However, I don't agree with scaling vision and hulk and war machine and other characters in key Pre-Awakening like low4-c at last H6-A with preparation

I literally just said post awakening characters that scale to thanos would only scale

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Its from the same verse, it doesn't allow cross scaling from seperate things or continuity, in the case of the MCU they could potentially scale given their differences aren't varying too far and stick very VERY close to their original versions

Before Captain Marvel 4-C feat she could not scale because it's an alternative reality scaling would be impossible, now that she has the feat it counts lol, then scale her to infinite ultron since she almost cracked him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

the Thor that fought carol doesn’t he have awakened mode he had the lightning eyes in the episode

Irrelevant, I literally said to move past that and ignore it because it’s controversial

[MCU] Hulk Powerscaling

Hulk briefly restrained and withstood multiple punches from Thanos before being knocked out Thanos does hold back, but it's suggested he does it after removing his armour and getting more Infinity Stones Though dazed, Hulk endured two attacks from Thor when he briefly awakened his real power...

vsbattles.com

Wanna add this to the OP as one of the most problematic additions to the scaling chain that needs to be discussed and reverted

@Propellus @Lonkitt @Lacku @Dinobot1996 @Marvel_Champion_07 @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Valiant_Abyss @Maverick_Zero_X @ThanatosX

Summoning all the MCU goons

Pretty sure this an’t the thread to deal with that

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

@Marvel_Champion_07

Marvel has decided to quit the wiki

 

[darkphantom9805]

Irrelevant, I literally said to move past that and ignore it because it’s controversial


Pretty sure this an’t the thread to deal with that

How is it irrelevant it means it would be a post awakening thor which would toss all the ultron 4c vision stuff in the trash

 

[Dalesean027]

I literally just said post awakening characters that scale to thanos would only scale

Can't do that without reverting this CRT man, its whats gonna always directly make them backscale, it needs to be discussed here more than these the others first and foremost because it's why we have this problem in the first place

[MCU] Hulk Powerscaling

Hulk briefly restrained and withstood multiple punches from Thanos before being knocked out Thanos does hold back, but it's suggested he does it after removing his armour and getting more Infinity Stones Though dazed, Hulk endured two attacks from Thor when he briefly awakened his real power...

vsbattles.com

Wanna add this to the OP as one of the most problematic additions to the scaling chain that needs to be discussed and reverted

The problem lies deeper than Carols scaling itself at its it stems from Hulk very faultly scaling from Thanos and Thor which makes all pre awakening characters downscale their stronger selves, no matter where they're downgraded back to because of the very faulty scaling of Hulk somewhere he logically doesn't scale it will create this issue over and over again

 

[darkphantom9805]

How did the 4c even get accepted in the first place I specifically with people like vision or ultron

 

[Dalesean027]

Marvel has decided to quit the wiki

Damn this just happened!!?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

How is it irrelevant it means it would be a post awakening thor which would toss all the ultron 4c vision stuff in the trash

Because it is an alt timeline and what if scaling in of its self and controversial

Can't do that without reverting this CRT man, its whats gonna always directly make them backscale, it needs to be discussed here more than these the others first and foremost because it's why we have this problem in the first place

Hulk stats vary, hulk got stronger, hulk still got his ass beat. Besdies that is a problem to be discussed later

Marvel has decided to quit the wiki

Oh, did he say why?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Damn this just happened!!?

Oh, did he say why?

All I know is that he asked to be banned from the forum and the wiki.

Though he says it wasn't because of what happened in the Discussion Thread.

 

[Dalesean027]

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Maybe you're not understanding properly man, this ain't a rage amp thing or anything, it outright added Hulk scaling we actively did not support prior as just his regular scaling that backscales to the pre awakening characters, its quite literally how the scaling chain was allowed to go this fsr from something that should have been for like 5 or 6 people


With this crt they will always backscale no matter where you're discussing to put them at

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's funny how iron man's armour scales to Thanos making his armour 4-C which apparently was forgotten but his armour was trashed by a piece of the moon, totally consistent

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Maybe you're not understanding properly man, this ain't a rage amp thing or anything, it outright added Hulk scaling we actively did not support prior as just his regular scaling that backscales to the pre awakening characters, its quite literally how the scaling chain was allowed to go this fsr from something that should have been for like 5 or 6 people


With this crt they will always backscale no matter where you're discussing to put them at

I do, you believe hulk well backscale due to his “pre awakened stats” this can be explained away by his varying lvls of strength

 

[Dalesean027]

I do, you believe hulk well backscale due to his “pre awakened stats” this can be explained away by his varying lvls of strength

Nah not via the justifications used in this crt, as loads of people agreed with in the general discussion they're completely faulty which makes this whole thing fall apart considering what it does to the verse

 

[Reyne]

It's funny how iron man's armour scales to Thanos making his armour 4-C which apparently was forgotten but his armour was trashed by a piece of the moon, totally consistent

As if anything about MCU scaling is truly consistent. Cherry picking is the name of the game, otherwise a tree stump is star level for stopping a swipe from Thanos.

Granted, that tree stump could be Jabari wood, and cooked Jabari wood = vibranium.

 

[darkphantom9805]

It's funny how iron man's armour scales to Thanos making his armour 4-C which apparently was forgotten but his armour was trashed by a piece of the moon, totally consistent

the moon didn’t really do anything to tony tho

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Maybe you're not understanding properly man, this ain't a rage amp thing or anything, it outright added Hulk scaling we actively did not support prior as just his regular scaling that backscales to the pre awakening characters, its quite literally how the scaling chain was allowed to go this fsr from something that should have been for like 5 or 6 people

I initially thought that the Hulk CRT was supposed to give Hulk either a "Up To" or "Varies Rating" for all his stats or just his Durability so that the scaling would be more or less somewhat consistent.

Another proposition was giving Thor back his Ragnarok Key to do the same thing.

 

[Dalesean027]

I initially thought that the Hulk CRT was supposed to give Hulk either a "Up To" or "Varies Rating" for all his stats or just his Durability so that the scaling would be more or less somewhat consistent.

Another proposition was giving Thor back his Ragnarok Key to do the same thing.

Disagree because as logic would go people are gonna say well ofc he was at his peak against Thanos and awakwned Thor but the problem is stemming from how he just outright should NOT scale from either to even allow things to go back this far. The central premise of the crt is faulty itself and the scaling chain it establishes clearly doesn't bode well for the verse

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

the moon didn’t really do anything to tony tho

He even got hurt you see blood on him

 

[Reyne]

the moon didn’t really do anything to tony tho

It broke his helmet enough to cut his nose.
(It cuts to Tony's undamaged face when Thanos is "f@cking tearing up a moon" to show his shocked and undamaged face).

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Why isn’t Avenger Hulk star level for punching away Vibranium Ultron? And wasn’t he stated the strongest Avenger in Ragnarok in comparison to Pre-Awakening Thor by the Avenger ship?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Nah not via the justifications used in this crt, as loads of people agreed with in the general discussion they're completely faulty which makes this whole thing fall apart considering what it does to the verse

The justifications were downscaling, and loads of mods agreed.

Disagree because as logic would go people are gonna say well ofc he was at his peak against Thanos and awakwned Thor but the problem is stemming from how he just outright should NOT scale from either to even allow things to go back this far. The central premise of the crt is faulty itself and the scaling chain it establishes clearly doesn't bode well for the verse

It doesn’t if we just put varied or something on his profile

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Why isn’t Avenger Hulk star level for punching away Vibranium Ultron? And wasn’t he stated the strongest Avenger in Ragnarok in comparison to Pre-Awakening Thor by the Avenger ship?

And why damage did he do exactly? That was rejected as mods thought it was just a gag

 

[Reyne]

Why isn’t Avenger Hulk star level for punching away Vibranium Ultron? And wasn’t he stated the strongest Avenger in Ragnarok in comparison to Pre-Awakening Thor by the Avenger ship?

I mean, we hadn't seen Thor use lightning on Thor until Ragnarok, so it's possible Hulk is gauged based on his besting Thor on the Quinjet and that suckered punch in the train? station.

 

[Dalesean027]

The justifications were downscaling, and loads of mods agreed.

That's great but most of them also disagree now as they didn't know what it entailed nor foresaw how it messed things up.

I've already said what needs to be done but I'll wait on all of the guys I pinged to get online because literally like every single one of them took major issues with our scaling from Hulk

It doesn’t if we just put varied or something on his profile

It does he simply shouldn't scale to them at all

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That's great but most of them also disagree now as they didn't know what it entailed nor foresaw how it messed things up.

I've already said what needs to be done but I'll wait on all of the guys I pinged to get online because literally like every single one of them took major issues with our scaling from Hulk

Alright whatever I guess we’ll wait on them

 

[Reyne]

Why cap the snap at whatever it is right now if hupernove can reach like 10 foe? What's higher than that aside from the Big Bang?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Ok so what’s the plan

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I'm confused. Why doesn't the Low 4-C calc scale to a new Marvels key?