[MCU] All I Want For Christmas is Post-Awakening 5-A Upgrade

[Hellbeast]

Technically Current Hulk has statements from Wakanda Forever’s director implying he’s relative to Thor and Namor so that’s something I guess

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I have read that hulk profile. In profile it states that he fights with Pre-Awakening Thor only

 

[darkphantom9805]

Technically Current Hulk has statements from Wakanda Forever’s director implying he’s relative to Thor and Namor so that’s something I guess

Hulk is obviously still strong the Russo bros wanted to demonstrate how powerful thanos is by having him beat hulk in the first few minutes of the film it’s why Loki goes we have a hulk he isn’t complete fodder to the awakened tiers WoG compares namor to hulk and uses him as a bench Shang chi was also compared to hulk and Thor

 

[darkphantom9805]

After this Wenwu and Shang chi upgrade goes through they will have access to high tier scaling and according to the Shang chi producer

A fight between Chang chi and hulk it could go either way so hulk would have to not be complete fodder for that to be possible

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Why isn't scarlet witch a 5-A+?

 

[Dinobot1996]

There are a surprising number of statements suggesting that Hulk is relative to Thor's power post-Ragnarok, though they've been dismissed in the past.

The Russos on how Thanos defeated Hulk:
“I would say that he’s just that powerful. You didn’t see him actively use the power stone in that fight. I think ultimately, the way we looked at that fight and the way talked about it with our stunt team when we were executing it was Hulk is obviously very powerful, but he’s a little mindless in his fighting style. It’s aggressive, it’s pummeling. Thanos is the Ghengis Kahn of the universe, he’s a very skilled fighter, equally as strong. So when you put those two up against each other, the more skilled fighter is going to win ultimately. Which is why Hulk has a moment where he overpowers Thanos, but ultimately Thanos is smart.”

Destin Daniel Cretton on how Shang Chi compares to Hulk or Thor:
"It depends if you're talking about the beginning of the movie or the end of the movie. I think by the end of this movie, I think, he is, you know, standing up on a similar level to some of our favorite superheroes in the MCU. For fun, we've debated things but I don't really know the answer to it. But I'm sure we'll explore them in the future."

The aforementioned statement from producer Jonathan Schwartz:
Who do you think wins in a fight between Shang-Chi and say Hulk or Shang-Chi and Thor? Do you ever have that debate with people?
SCHWARTZ: Sometimes? I mean, very rarely, but does Shang-Chi have the 10 rings?
Say he does have the 10 rings.
SCHWARTZ: I think Shang-Chi with the 10 rings is very formidable, and it could go either way.

Ryan Coogler on Namor:
“[There’s] no equal in terms of his capabilities, being able to breathe underwater and breathe at high altitudes and walk around on land. He’s incredibly strong, he’s as strong as Thor, and if he’s around enough water he can be as strong as the Hulk.”

 

[darkphantom9805]

There are a surprising number of statements suggesting that Hulk is relative to Thor's power post-Ragnarok, though they've been dismissed in the past.

I mean the literal film suggests he’s still powerful why would Loki go we have a hulk if hulk to thanos if hulk was fodder to Thor who already lost off screen to thanos why is hulk still consistently used a bench mark for powerful characters like Shang chi and namor to hype up their strength if he was fodder

 

[ThanatosX]

Any scaling for Hulk, Namor and Shang Chi should be handled in a separate CRT since OP never mentioned them scaling to Post-Awakening characters. For the first two, only the Hulkbuster 2.0 and the Vibranium Spear (which are the only things currently rated as High 6-B) will scale, while Shang Chi will remain as it is. Several characters will already scale to 5-A, so there is no need to make the scaling chain more complicated now.

 

[Hellbeast]

Hulk is obviously still strong the Russo bros wanted to demonstrate how powerful thanos is by having him beat hulk in the first few minutes of the film it’s why Loki goes we have a hulk he isn’t complete fodder to the awakened tiers WoG compares namor to hulk and uses him as a bench Shang chi was also compared to hulk and Thor

Yeah that’s the WOG I’m using here which, upon review, actually implies Hulk is stronger then Thor since Namor needs saturation to be on his level and he’s naturally relative to Thor

It is worth noting Abomination recreates Cull’s feat of smashing through Wong’s portals and Smart Hulk is obviously on his level as per their fight in the finale

Any scaling for Hulk, Namor and Shang Chi should be handled in a separate CRT since OP never mentioned them scaling to Post-Awakening characters. For the first two, only the Hulkbuster 2.0 and the Vibranium Spear (which are the only things currently rated as High 6-B) will scale, while Shang Chi will remain as it is. Several characters will already scale to 5-A, so there is no need to make the scaling chain more complicated now.

i think if people prefer it that’s valid but I think it’s fair to discuss here since this is the upgrade threat and Namor would surely receive the upgrade

I do think Shang-Chi is best brought up another time since I recall his statement being dismissed prior

 

[Lacku]

Any scaling for Hulk, Namor and Shang Chi should be handled in a separate CRT since OP never mentioned them scaling to Post-Awakening characters. For the first two, only the Hulkbuster 2.0 and the Vibranium Spear (which are the only things currently rated as High 6-B) will scale, while Shang Chi will remain as it is. Several characters will already scale to 5-A, so there is no need to make the scaling chain more complicated now.

This. It's not that I disagree with Hulk or the rest being on that level but that's not what this CRT is doing.

 

[ThanatosX]

i think if people prefer it that’s valid but I think it’s fair to discuss here since this is the upgrade threat and Namor would surely receive the upgrade

As the profile are right now, Namor will not scale. He is "At least 8-C, possibly 6-B, at least High 6-B with Vibranium spear". The 6-B character will not be upgraded as of now, and Hulk, who is the character to which Namor is currently scaling, will not be upgraded to 5-A (except for the already mentioned Hulkbuster 2.0 key). Any other cross scaling between Thor, Namor and Hulk should be dealt with in a different thread since this one is to upgrade the current High 6-B characters to 5-A. Even if a decision is made between normal users, the scaling of Hulk, Namor and Shang Chi to Post-Awakened characters is not something that is currently accepted in the profiles, and as such will require the staff's agreement. Calling everyone back in this CRT to have their opinion on the scaling when the revision itself is already accepted and only require application will just delay everything and nothing more.
A separate thread to deal with this cross scaling is much better, given that in this way staff members can be called in that thread rather than this one, and this one can move on with the application.

 

[Raincutter]

The reasoning for Hulk not scaling to the Post-Awakening tiers has always been weak. There's several statements implying relativity, a deleted scene would've shown him casually overpowering Cull Obsidian, who's apparently billions of times stronger than him, he's outright fought 2 characters on that tier, and it just makes sense narratively.

On the contrary, he apparently doesn't scale because a bloodlusted master martial artist described as equally strong as him if not more hit him a dozen times and he went down. The film shows how Thanos actually handles people billions of times weaker than him, like Captain America or Spider-Man, and they get oneshotted; Hulk is not one of them.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Now I will say 2 very simple things.

Rocket's statement seemed like an ordinary statement to hyperbole, I think you are exaggerating a simple statement. We don't even know if Rocket remembers what Eson did when he said that word. You can tell me "you don't have any evidence", but you are actually exaggerating a very simple sentence.

Off topic, I don't know anything about Calc, but is every planet destroying feat 5-A? Remove the planet level from the site because planet destroying isn't even 5-B

 

[Hellbeast]

On the contrary, he apparently doesn't scale because a bloodlusted master martial artist described as equally strong as him if not more hit him a dozen times and he went down. The film shows how Thanos actually handles people billions of times weaker than him, like Captain America or Spider-Man, and they get oneshotted; Hulk is not one of them.

To be fair, Thanos was clearly overpowering Hulk despite Hulk pressing down on top of Thanos, with Hulk even refusing to return out of fear initially

I do agree there’s some relativity there though

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Now I will say 2 very simple things.

Rocket's statement seemed like an ordinary statement to hyperbole, I think you are exaggerating a simple statement. We don't even know if Rocket remembers what Eson did when he said that word. You can tell me "you don't have any evidence", but you are actually exaggerating a very simple sentence.

Why wouldn't he remember? They are having readings about the infinity stones and that scene was were he and we learn about the infinity stones origin, the little he knows about the infinity stones literally came out of that scene.

Off topic, I don't know anything about Calc, but is every planet destroying feat 5-A? Remove the planet level from the site because planet destroying isn't even 5-B

There are many ways to destroy something, fragmentation, violent fragmentation, vaporization, melting, desintegration, all of which are ends that are commonly used on this wiki, they will give you different values higher or lower the values used for planet level won't necessarily include all of the above ends in it.

 

[Raincutter]

To be fair, Thanos was clearly overpowering Hulk despite Hulk pressing down on top of Thanos, with Hulk even refusing to return out of fear initially

I do agree there’s some relativity there though

Would you it's more or less relative than Thor getting literally picked up, ragdolled, and KO'd in 6 hits?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Would you it's more or less relative than Thor getting literally picked up, ragdolled, and KO'd in 6 hits?

I mean why would Loki go we have a hulk to thanos if hulk was hundreds of thousands times weaker then Thor who already got smoked off screen by thanos or no

 

[Raincutter]

I mean why would Loki go we have a hulk to thanos if hulk was hundreds of thousands times weaker then Thor who already got smoked off screen by thanos or no

not even thousands, it's billions. Hulk being 6-B before compared to the at least 6-B post-awakening tier was reasonable before as his rage boost might've bridged the gap, but this is laughable

 

[darkphantom9805]

not even thousands, it's billions. Hulk being 6-B before compared to the at least 6-B post-awakening tier was reasonable before as his rage boost might've bridged the gap, but this is laughable

Why do we not have hulk scaling in the first place hulk literally fought awakened thor hulk took 2 strikes from him and was back up ready for more in a few seconds Thor couldn’t even draw blood from him or injure hulk skin

 

[RoTt35]

This wouldn't be a issue if the statements about Endgame Thor being stronger than ever weren't discarded

 

[darkphantom9805]

This wouldn't be a issue if the statements about Endgame Thor being stronger than ever weren't discarded

I made a crt in that to get rid of that and put him back as stronger but it never got mod attention I could probably bump it

but either way in no world did thor grow billions of times stronger then hulk after awakening he obviously downscales to theses fighters especially thor who he literally fought on screen and was ready for more

This is a major issue that needs to be resolved if characters are going to tier 5

 

[RoTt35]

I made a crt in that to get rid of that and put him back as stronger but it never got mod attention I could probably bump it

but either way in no world did thor grow billions of times stronger then hulk after awakening he obviously downscales to theses fighters especially thor who he literally fought on screen and was ready for more

This is a major issue that needs to be resolved if characters are going to tier 5

Agree, if we separate Post-Awakening Thor into two keys (Ragnarok/IW and Endgame), with the former being High 6-B+ and the latter 5-A it would solve the issue with Hulk and also the fact that Eternal Flame Surtur couldn't damage the Tesseract while Thanos casually crushed it. Could you link that CRT?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Agree, if we separate Post-Awakening Thor into two keys (Ragnarok/IW and Endgame), with the former being High 6-B+ and the latter 5-A it would solve the issue with Hulk and also the fact that Eternal Flame Surtur couldn't damage the Tesseract while Thanos casually crushed it. Could you link that CRT?

Thread '(MCU) fat Thor is pre L&T prime Thor'

Jan 1, 2024

Fat Thor is not weaker then IW Thor or ragnarok Thor

Here we have a statement by Russo bros when asked if he got weaker they flat out say no he’s stronger then ever by the final fight of endgame

Then we have a statement from one of the screenwriters saying
(While Thor’s larger appearance is initially used for comedy, the screenwriters defended the choice by saying Thor’s weight is never the obstacle the character has to overcome. Thor’s arc in “Endgame” is about...

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i don’t think think hulk should be left out on this scaling anyway he definitely should scale to everyone else just downscale in a massive chain

 

[Bernkastelll]

Why didnt people notice that Thanos with all stones being weaker than ronan with the power stone doesnt even makes sense?

 

[Hellbeast]

Would you it's more or less relative than Thor getting literally picked up, ragdolled, and KO'd in 6 hits?

Considering that Hulk would later somewhat harm Thanos, Is later stated compared to Hulk and Namor and has other impressive statements around the time of Ragnarok?

Yeah I’d say he’s somewhat relative even if weaker

 

[Hellbeast]

Why didnt people notice that Thanos with all stones being weaker than ronan with the power stone doesnt even makes sense?

Wait elaborate?

 

[Excellence616]

This Hulk scaling would be better discussed in another thread

 

[LordTracer]

As this is starting to get applied, I feel like they shouldn’t be At least 5-A? While the power surge does scale above the Power Stone’s 5-A feat, Thanos downscales from the surge, so I don’t think an At least rating is warranted for him and everyone else.

 

[Raincutter]

As this is starting to get applied, I feel like they shouldn’t be At least 5-A? While the power surge does scale above the Power Stone’s 5-A feat, Thanos downscales from the surge, so I don’t think an At least rating is warranted for him and everyone else.

I believe it comes from him casually scaling above whatever Rocket could cook up, and the Snap surge would scale even higher

 

[darkphantom9805]

I believe it comes from him casually scaling above whatever Rocket could cook up, and the Snap surge would scale even higher

Yeah he’s not downscaling he’s upscaling the snap was described as far beyond what rocket has seen meaning it’s much stronger then the initial value that he’s scaling from

 

[LordTracer]

I believe it comes from him casually scaling above whatever Rocket could cook up, and the Snap surge would scale even higher

Rocket’s strongest thing is 5-C…

Yeah he’s not downscaling he’s upscaling the snap was described as far beyond what rocket has seen meaning it’s much stronger then the initial value that he’s scaling from

Yes, the power surge is stronger than the initial value, but Thanos is downscaling from the power surge.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Yes, the power surge is stronger than the initial value, but Thanos is downscaling from the power surge.

nah he’s still scaling not downscaling the snap surge only gave him slight burns in infinity war in endgame after he destroyed the stones is when he was crippled the initial value proposed by OP is a baseline for the scaling he’s never dipping under the proposed because he got hurt by an attack far beyond the initial value